as this post pointed out, I was an asshole, And I took trolling too far, genocide denial or harming the community was not my intention as I was trying to find reasons to troll hexbear through my two accounts, and was spurred on by members of the community with alternative intentions that didn’t occur to me at the time, such as _cryptagion
as shown here, a message from the /0 matrix:
I do not represent Dbzer0 or AN in anyway possible, and that post doesn’t represent my views at all, it was just a shitty attempt at humour that went too far, you could consider this an apology, you have every right to hate me, but if you all have the space in your hearts to forgive me, it would be much appreciated.
Learn to write.
No need to self flagellate. It’s not great to get so caught up in petty infighting that you lose sight of actual humanity of the topics you’re talking about. And also, it’s a shitposting forum that doesn’t need to be taken too seriously. Both are true at the same time. I hope you take some time detached from this to collect yourself because it seems you’re overly tuned into this and that’s a hard place to be in.
It’s not the end of the world, but you can do harm to yourself with this kind of stuff online. We’ve probably all been there.
It’s generally not a faux pas to do some light trolling in our own comms, but it is to go and do it in their own space. Also, own your mistakes, don’t blame others like that for you own actions and especially not when it looks like snitching as well. It’s going to make it hard for m@tes to feel comfortable around you when they see you throwing others in front of the bus.
You of course are the instance owner, but I think people who encourage such repugnant behaviors (like whoever that is in the screenshot) shouldn’t feel comfortable if that’s how they’re going to behave, and everyone else can simply not engage in genocide denial if they want to feel comfortable.
I agree they are still kind of deflecting, even accepting that they should out the other user.
sorry, I just wanted to archknowledge the influence of others, i’ll remove that part if it’s hurting people, Im not perfect, and I make too many mistakes
Also, own your mistakes, don’t blame others like that for you own actions and especially not when it looks like snitching as well.
I partly disagree with this point, only because it seems clear that OP didn’t actually know much about WW2 and therefore was encouraged by another user to engage in genocide denial without realizing. Calling that other user out is useful to everyone who doesn’t want to tolerate that kind of thing. OP should also accept their own culpability, of course.
I think if you find it in yourself to troll comrades instead of spending that time relaxing, or even sharpening yourself to be a better comrade, you could do with some time off the old computer.
that’s probably for the best
Or as a halfway measure… I read through RSS partially because it’s more difficult to comment. It’s not really productive for me to be dropping my immediate enraged reactions everywhere. So the RSS adds a few mouse clicks as a chillout buffer.
I have to ask, without meaning to offend you, are you young? This seems like a relatively immature pursuit - again, no offence, I know because I’ve been there.
Just be careful what narratives you reinforce inadvertently, multiple genocides were carried out during WW2 in addition to the universally-known Holocaust (you pointed out several in your own post - Roma people, LGBT people, etc.) and it’s not good to end up casually denying the Nazi colonization project in eastern Europe. Millions of people were killed, it’s not for you to use them as a cheap punchline to annoy people online.
This really isn’t the end of the world, it’s hardly the worst thing anyone’s ever done on the internet - especially because you seem to regret it. I’d just take a break from online arguments and spend some time with comrades offline, it really does make you feel better and help you realize that the whole “tankie vs. anarchist” fight isn’t a productive use of your time.
Yes, I am young, and I should probably get off lemmy/piefed for a bit tbh, like a week, to gather my thoughts
and that post doesn’t represent my views at all, it was just a shitty attempt at humour that went too far, you could consider this an apology,
This is from the OP post body right? What part of my comment are you replying to specifically? I’m a little confused by how this quote relates to what I said.
Sorry, I just thought it sounds like a non-apology, but I shouldn’t have said anything at all, especially under your comment.
Fair enough. I think you’re right that she’s somewhat avoiding responsibility in the post body, but she’s a young person who’s clearly embarrassed about an online outburst, and the apology was made immediately without much time for self-reflection. Therefore I think it’s forgivable.
She seems to have realized the outburst was a mistake, and seems to want to take a break and reflect, which is good. Also, the person who fed her the WW2 line commented in this thread and came off like a borderline cryptofascist, so I do put a lot of the responsibility for the worst of the comments onto him. I’d rather give some grace to the person who showed regret and didn’t intentionally post Nazi stuff.
I’d rather give some grace to the person who showed regret.
That’s why I said I shouldn’t have said anything. I’ve been given plenty of grace, and by the same token, I can give grace.
On a related note, I think it’s really easy to lose sight of that online, but it makes better communities when we can all make space for people to change.
@[email protected] do you think that, in light of this post, OP’s ban could be reversed or turned into a temporary ban to possibly allow her to engage in good faith with our community in the future? She could always be banned again if this behavior repeats.
Seven days
I bow to the lotus feet of the guru. ;)
Plus, it helps keep us from becoming calcified in our own perspectives – if we let it.
Might be worth re-evaluating what sort of people and narratives you’re listening to if you recognize that the one post is genocide denial. I agree with the instance owner that one should take ownership of their actions, but I also very strongly believe that it’s worth outing people encouraging saying such repugnant things.
I’d also be a little concerned that there were people (“tankies”) who pretty calmly tried to explain this to you, you seemingly ignored it, but someone from your ingroup going “this is dumb and embarassing” shocks you awake.
That would be me. She asked what would set people off the most, and I provided. Don’t @ me, I’m not sorry.
While directly we’ve only had pleasant conversations, you seem to be quite the provocateur.
That’s a much lamer deflection than anything she said. Why not just post some racial caricatures? Why not deny the Holocaust? I promise you that would produce at least as much contempt (and probably more, due to personal proximity). I think the reason that you said one and not the other is pretty obvious, which is that you duly recognize that what I just mentioned is repugnant and inappropriate to do for the sake of “trolling” but bear no such consideration for the line that you ended up providing. I’d suggest that that’s why you offered it in such a generalized way, because when someone thinks for even a second about what you’re really saying, that you’re downplaying a massive genocidal campaign, not just owning teh Reds, then suddenly it doesn’t feel like fun and games anymore.
Get a fucking grip. Be anti-ML all you want, I don’t care, but if you’re resorting to sounding like an actual fascist to own the tankies, you clearly lack the moral high ground you imagine yourself to have.
GOOD post. Not for this user, on who it’s wasted, but as a general point to people who want to “own” “authoritarians” online.
No one @ed you, you showed up here on your own lmao.
When you want to own the tankies so bad you trip over your own feet and passively deny the murder of 27 million human beings. It would also set people off to deny the Holocaust, maybe don’t use “this will make people angry” as a metric for whether something should be said.
Also “the real victims” as though there weren’t many different “real victims”.
When you want to own the tankies so bad you trip over your own feet and passively deny the murder of 27 million human beings.
I’m not denying it. I’m saying I don’t mind authoritarians who helped the nazis getting killed. don’t misconstrue my words and make it so passive.
This user is using your matrix to convince your young users (is she a minor?) Into posting genocide denial in order to troll.
Is this appropriate behavior for your instance?
No and I will talk to cryptagion about it.
Hey anarchist nexus come get your genocidal fascist sympathizer.
Seriously, this is deeply shameful. I can’t imagine that that community would actually tolerate this kind of rhetoric.
Always remember than at least 50% of Western “anarchists” are just angry and poorly politically educated liberals who read 3 pamphlets and nodded, “yeah”. They don’t deserve the label of anarchist and are not motivated by empathy for the oppressed, but wield it selectively as a cudgel to bully those who get in the way of their personal self-actualization, which is often just talking shit and spreading rumors about things they have never investigated.
IMO that’s probably true of a lot of westerners who don’t claim to be anarchists too. Still, I can’t imagine the admins of that instance are OK with “if your have ‘authoritarian’ leaders then 27 million of you deserve to be killed by nazis”. It’s such a blatantly genocidal thing to say in service of “trolling” people on the internet.
I’m not denying it. I’m saying I don’t mind authoritarians who helped the nazis getting killed. don’t misconstrue my words and make it so passive.
Putting aside your ahistorical view of the M-R pact, these were 27 million people who committed no crime. “They deserved it” is still genocide denial, and is in fact worse than “it didn’t happen”.
“why won’t people think of the nazi collaborators?”
go make a post about me again on c/slop so I can be on your minds for a bit.
Something tells me that this hitlerite peace of shit wouldn’t extend this smear to British, French, or American war dead. @[email protected], if you’re reading this, please genuinely examine your position of supporting Nazi genocide. Anti-communism invariably is linked to Nazi ideology, as can be seen in the American red scare, or the treaty of alliance between Japan and the Nazis being called the “anti comintern pact”. You are a useful idiot for nazis because you can’t get over intra-left grievances from 1917 or whatever you whine about.
anarchist: “working with nazis is bad” tankie: “is this fascism?”
the only good authoritarian is a dead one.
Wow three slurs in rapid succession, just before the user’s name. Can you maybe ★ those out?
Something tells me that this hitlerite peace of shit wouldn’t extend this smear to British, French, or American war dead.
Lack of object permanence means he can only remember the last non-aggression pacts signed with the Nazis. Since those were signed first they couldn’t fit in his memory.
“why won’t people think of the nazi collaborators?”
go make a post about me again on c/slop so I can be on your minds for a bit.
I’ll pass lol.
Yeah, some ethnically-Polish dirt farmers in western Ukraine were really helping the Nazis when the OUN-B rolled up and engaged in the morally neutral act of killing them and their children.
I like how you asked him why he didn’t deny the Holocaust and he promptly one-upped you with “actually the victims of the Holocaust had it coming”
It’s funny how self-described “anti-authoritarians” are always a nudge away from advocating or excusing literal genocide
meets 
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I am not the mods nor smart, I am a guillible fuck in the internet so sending hugs homie, a mistake is a mistake
