I have 2 GOP parents, one that voted Trump originally and one that did not. Over the last 9 years, I have watched them both travel down the MAGA pipeline to become visibly fascist. The parents who taught me racism was wrong and to have empathy for others, have become openly hostile about immigrants, Muslims, and even parrot the Nazi “great replacement” theory.

Part and parcel with this, they refuse to have any discussions about the facts – like immigrants not stealing and eating people’s pets. They won’t hear it, they won’t even engage in the conversation…they just get angry and loud the second they hear anything that doesn’t fit into the Fox News narrative. Can you relate? How are you dealing with it in your relationships with your parents?

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    i only have my father left, but both my parents were always latin-american leftists and so were most of my siblings.

    most of my siblings married maga-white people and their children (as well as their children) are maga and my father and siblings have become maga-sympathetic as a result.

    only my sister and i remain leftists and i’m convinced it was entirely because we were the only ones to marry other latinos. we both keep our distance for the rest of our family. it’s been 10 years since she’s seen the rest of the family and i decided to do the same thing last xmas. we only visit cousins/aunts/uncles that have maintained ties with our latin-american origins and that luckily happens to coincide with our politics.

    my father still tries to maintain our relationship; but i suspect that it has more to do w my aunts/uncles prodding him to do so and it didn’t start happening until i told them about my decision last xmas.

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        i appreciate the well wishing, but i don’t need it. my closeted grand nephew (assuming that my gaydar is right) and my grand nieces need it.

        their parents are several fold more homophobic & sexist than my parents ever were, so i feel sorry for whatever maga/christo-fascist torture that my nephews/nieces will inflict upon them and this is coming from someone who was disowned and dis-invited from the family for years when i came out of the closet.

        i was lucky in that i was an adult when it happened and also lucky that i remained employed the last time the economy when to shit like this in 2009, so it forced them to come grovel to me for financial assistance under threat of losing their homes from prolonged unemployment and that forced the lines of communication to open back up again.

        i fear that my grand nephew and nieces will not be so lucky.

        it’s also a bizarre to recognize that the younger generations are so much more conservative than the older generations; the maga influence has infested white american culture like a sickness and it’s growing since americans are too indoctrinated in american capitalism and ethos to fight it.

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          The media are deeply insidious and dangerous. What needs to be done, is cutting off access to Twitter, to Facebook, to any of those media that sow hatred.

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    I’m fortunate enough to not have anyone that close to me become part of the cult. Those who have, I’ve just stopped reaching out. Though that may not be an option for you in this case.

    The best advice I can offer is to try to understand what a cult is, and how to work with that situation. A cult like MAGA is inherently irrational, so trying to win people over with rational arguments doesn’t work. Here’s one resource for how to talk with people like this.

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      I stopped arguing which made them dig in and our relationship worse, and asked a thoughtful question or two. Then dropped the matter and moved on to something different or removed myself from immediate proximity. I mean they’re not red/black flag-waving revolutionaries, but people grow at their own pace or not. To use the old idiom, pulling on carrot tops doesn’t make them grow.

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    Well, one of them died of COVID-19 without telling me that they even had it, and I don’t speak to the other one.

    My dad did not tell me because he knew I would tell him I told you so when I was like, wear a mask, keep your distance, maintain safety protocols at all times, follow what the CDC is saying, treat this seriously.

    It was literally weeks before the vaccine became available. Like if he had just, like, two more months, I would still have my dad.

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      Ah I’m sorry to hear that. My parent swung hard into the same propaganda and obviously ended up catching a severe case, multiple times in fact. Survived, but they’re like a totally different person now. Extremely hair triggered and aggressive, easily confused about things that always used to come naturally.

      I think it’s literally a case of brain damage from catching the virus so many times. Been pretty awful to watch. I don’t think I’ll ever be able to forgive the conspiracists. Sorry again for your loss, hope things are moving in a good direction for you and yours

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      My parents were both… medium-core republicans. Didn’t go to rallies or buy swag, but they weren’t interested in non-R candidates or ideas. Dad died of covid before the vaccine was available. Pre-existing immune deficiencies. He was one of the ones they couldn’t fit in the morgues because they were all full. My mom watched all this happen, still refused to get vaccinated, got covid twice (that she told me of) and died of “complications from asthma” two years after the vaccines were generally available. IDK what role covid played in her death but I doubt it helped much. I really don’t know what I could have said to her if watching dad pass in isolation wasn’t enough. I think about it a lot though.

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        God fucking shit it breaks me heart to hear that. I’m so sorry for your loss.

        My mom is quite pro science and my dad became a bit spiritual, conspiratorial and anti-science, but none of them were hit that hard. I feel like I’m in the opposite situation where I technically can try to convince him to change his mind every time I see him but he is extremely stubborn and there’s no way. In fact it will make him dig in deeper and the only way for him to change is by himself.

        Fuck this timeline I want a reroll.

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          Thanks ❤️ I really wish I knew what to do, because I still have relatives on both sides that are deep in the cult. Not to mention my inlaws 🤦 They occupy a spectrum of dangerous / crazy and some of them I don’t talk to at all, some I still talk to occasionally but it’s hard to figure out where the cutoff line is. I think I’ve had some productive conversations around how dangerous Trump / MAGA are, but it’s hard to tell because I think the effects only manifest in the long term really and it’s hard to tell whether I’m helping or just pushing them away. I don’t think anyone suddenly has a lightbulb and thinks “Oh god, I’m in a cult”, at least not in my experience. It’s more gradual and requires sustained conversations, which incidentally is why cults generally encourage victims to cut off family members who aren’t also in the groupthink. So, I just try to meet the ones I don’t think would likely try to kill me for being trans where they are and do my best to be a good influence in the sphere of influence I have.

          As for the reroll, lol I hear ya, but as a wise wizard once said, “so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

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        Yeah, he was pro-vaccine.

        He believed in medicine, he just hated any politician that wasn’t Donald Trump, and believed the news when they said that it’s just a cold.

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    My dad always leaned center-left, and he’s only gotten slightly lefter as I reach middle age and get very left. I’m very fortunate. My mom is long dead but I would like to think she would be on board too.

    The real bugbear is my extended family, typified by dad’s sister and her family. Always leaned into the Rush Limbaugh right, but really she isn’t so much visibly MAGA as she is aggressively Zionist. It happens with a lot of Jewish boomers; Does ‘Never again’ mean for everyone, or just for the Jews?

    Anyways, I was a protest at our local holocaust center in 2018, protesting the detention camps on the border. The proudboys and others were counter protesting. I told her about it, and she just said,

    “They cant use that word, thats our word!” “You know who would agree with you? The nazis?” “What do you mean?” “They were there! I have pictures!”

    Anyways, shes been surface level cordial ever since.

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      The takeaway that alot of people had from the holocaust was “genocide is bad”. The takeaway that most Israelis and alot of other Jews had was “Genocide against God’s chosen people is bad”.

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    No contact. I tried. I tried so hard to point out the wrongs committed by the regime that I thought that they would disagree with, but MAGAs just bend reality around it all.

    It’s painful, given that most of us don’t do this out of a sense of right or wrong, but because we care. You get used to it eventually though.

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    I don’t keep in contact with my family, but I’d have no problem telling trump supporters that they’re dumbasses straight to their faces.

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    Went no contact in 2016. Was the right choice, my life blossomed without them. One of the last things my dad said to me was " guess I’m a fascist then" Still miss em tho, still not worth it to reach out. My aunt tells me however he turned on trump when his j6 crowd was yelling to hang mike pence. He would have always preferred a theocracy to a full blown white nationalist state tho.

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    Parent #1 is christian, and has all the mental faculties that come with that. #1 gets dragged into the current republican bullshit by proximity to the fusion of christofascism. I can still talk to that one about most things, as long as neither of us brings up anything about current government. Seeing as I live with #1 to make sure medicine is taken and quality of life doesn’t deteriorate, the days are… strained at best. We talk for a moment, I check up on the health, and then it’s either off to work and back to my portion of the house, or I avoid the other portion of the house and try to carry on my hobbies.

    Parent #2 was once, so I thought, the logical, reserved one who didn’t care for politics. Then it turned out #2 just thought because #2 worked for the government, it was best to never really hold beliefs. As soon as #2 retired, fox news was turned on 24/7, and suddenly the mild distaste for people ‘not like me’ turned into full fledged rants. I try to keep all contact to a minimum, because I still love my parent and I’m sure #2 loves me, but I think that’s just deep roots from childhood. All of the good characteristics are still there, just buried beneath that vile layer of filth that manifests as hate. Every now and then you see the good qualities shine through, and it kills me knowing they’re likely going to never be the main character traits again. I can’t break contact because there’s a part of me that just can’t give up hope, but it hurts that I can’t come and actually talk through the much deeper thoughts on the world I have now like we did when I was still considering what musical tastes I had.

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    My grandfather and his family supported Hitler and were Nazi sympathisers. He admitted to admiring Hitler on his literal death bed. My mom never denounced or condemned him for his beliefs. She is currently ignoring the fact that my grandfather was Jewish and most of his family died in concentration camps. I brought up how Nazis were upset at the game Wolfenstein. She tried to defend the literal Nazis upset at a game famouse for it’s Nazi killings.

    I provided climate change proof from NASA data and she claimed it wasn’t credible because the data came from NASA. SHE PAINTED A PICTURE OF TRUMP HUGGING JESUS. In her infamous extremely bad painting style. Off topic but my son had a portrait from her. He asked us to throw it away because his portrait was giving him nightmares. Made contact with an estranged aunt and found out that literally everyone in my family hates her art because it really is just that bad. Art is subjective, but in this case please make an exception.

    Turns out my mother was always a Nazi, I just didn’t notice the signs until I cut her out of my life.

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    My dad was in the military, but I never heard the sorts of things from him that I do now. He has started saying the N word to try to get a rise out of me, thinks Trump is going to “fix” everything, and every time I talk to him on the phone, I can hear fascist talk radio in the background.

    We have learned not to bring up politics with each other. The last time I challenged him on it, he said I was being disrespectful, but I don’t accept that. He just thought I was supposed to sit quietly and listen to crazy ranting.

    I have learned that in general it’s best to change the subject if someone wants to talk politics who I know I don’t agree with. Most people have gotten the point. We still get along great! We just have polar opposite politics.

    Now I know that some people would question why I remain friendly with those people. The answer is that we have more in common than not. Someday, when everyone finally comes to the conclusion that the powerful and foreign are manipulating our political discourse to sow discord, we will finally be at peace again.

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      he has started saying the N word to try to get a rise out of me

      omg, I caught my mom telling a joke with the n-word to my brother, then when I got mad and told them how unacceptable that was, my dad tried to gaslight me by telling me I shouldn’t overreact and get upset at jokes.

      when everyone finally comes to the conclusion that the powerful and foreign are manipulating our political discourse to sow discord, we will finally be at peace again.

      I don’t see that day ever coming for my parents, and I struggle to think many of the tens of millions of people who have accepted literal Nazi ideology (eugenics, great replacement, etc.) will ever be able to admit that to themselves. I hope you’re right though.

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    It weighs heavily on me, to say the least. It’s nearly impossible to have an even slightly tangentially political conversation with them that doesn’t leave me deeply disturbed and/or infuriated, so I pretty much avoid it altogether. Now the deepest conversation I allow is “how’s the weather” and “what are you having for dinner tonight?”, and that’s sad.

    But it’s absolutely the case that engaging with them on political stuff is destructive to my psyche. And even worse, they have a way of turning otherwise entirely non-political topics into something political. These are not the people who raised me or the values they raised me with. And there’s no real logical consistency to any of it other than it’s definitely going to be in agreement with whatever the latest opinions are on Fox News and Facebook.

    As a kid, the only particularly “conservative” view point they shared was on immigration. They absolutely believed the whole “Mexicans are taking our jobs” bullshit. I remember even asking them why they aren’t mad at their bosses for giving their jobs to the “Mexicans” and never getting a satisfactory answer for why that was given a pass.

    And then from that one little common thread, the rest of the conservative/Republican agenda has wormed its way in. So, naturally as the conservative agenda morphed into a more fascist agenda, so have my parents’ beliefs. With age and health related mental declines, these ideals have become more cemented. These are people who will never forget or forgive Democrats for NAFTA, but also believe that Republicans wanted universal healthcare for all yet Democrats gave us Obamacare instead. They grew up growing and selling weed to make ends meet, and yet still believe it should be illegal and people deserve to be in jail for it. They have a gay kid but believe gay marriage is wrong, because the Bible says marriage is only between a man and a woman, and the government shouldn’t be involved at all.

    They honestly buy into the idea that police officers and pastors are infallible. If someone is arrested, it’s because they are guilty of something. No pastor would ever sexually abuse a child, they are a pastor after all. If the president says something is true, it must be true. And again, none of this is how they raised me or the ideals they expressed when I was growing up, so it’s definitely like living in some kind of bizarre reality that’s tough to come to terms with.

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      They believe they are part of the ‘in-group’ rather than the out-group, which they actually are. It’s the tragedy of the commoners.

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        the tragedy of the commoners

        Did you come up with that play on words? Because it is absolutely brilliant!

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      These are not the people who raised me or the values they raised me with.

      Agreed. The version of my parents that I loved is already dead and gone.