Yeah, that was not what was said. It seems you’ve had some deep emotional reaction here and I’m sorry if there’s some underlying religious trauma that was triggered. But reducing billions of people worldwide who experience faith or some form of spirituality to “insane cultists” isn’t a whole lot better than the extremists you’re hoping to lash out at.
It’s also ignoring the agency of the individuals at the frontlines of reformist movements within their home countries and communities. I doubt that was your intent, but rather you’re struggling with your own inherit bias and potential past negative experiences. But I’ll remind you gay marriage and LGBTQ+ pastors or churches didn’t spontaneously appear. They were spaces created from within groups of people who experience faith. Those parallel discourses are integral to systemic and long lasting change.
I’m just being objective here. These are not sane people. They’ve been abused since childhood and continue their circle of abuse through their own (and others) children.
And reverts? Converts? I hear your anger. But writing off entire global communities as ‘insane’ or ‘abused’ ignores the reality of human agency, diversity of interpretation, and the courageous work of people, including LGBTQ+ people of faith who are reforming traditions from within. Dismissing them isn’t ‘objective’ or make you ‘better’ it’s another form of erasure. You’re repeating a lot of dogmatic, dehumanizing and brainwashing rhetoric yourself, so I’m going to leave you to sit with that. Hope you can find closure.
Good for them I guess, but what’s the point when the holy books themselves are rabidly misogynistic? There’s only so much reformation you can do without completely discarding the foundations of the religions themselves. Granted, that’s what most Christians do with the old testament.
Yeah no of course the insane cultists can do no wrong. They said so themselves so. Grow up.
Yeah, that was not what was said. It seems you’ve had some deep emotional reaction here and I’m sorry if there’s some underlying religious trauma that was triggered. But reducing billions of people worldwide who experience faith or some form of spirituality to “insane cultists” isn’t a whole lot better than the extremists you’re hoping to lash out at.
It’s also ignoring the agency of the individuals at the frontlines of reformist movements within their home countries and communities. I doubt that was your intent, but rather you’re struggling with your own inherit bias and potential past negative experiences. But I’ll remind you gay marriage and LGBTQ+ pastors or churches didn’t spontaneously appear. They were spaces created from within groups of people who experience faith. Those parallel discourses are integral to systemic and long lasting change.
I’m just being objective here. These are not sane people. They’ve been abused since childhood and continue their circle of abuse through their own (and others) children.
And reverts? Converts? I hear your anger. But writing off entire global communities as ‘insane’ or ‘abused’ ignores the reality of human agency, diversity of interpretation, and the courageous work of people, including LGBTQ+ people of faith who are reforming traditions from within. Dismissing them isn’t ‘objective’ or make you ‘better’ it’s another form of erasure. You’re repeating a lot of dogmatic, dehumanizing and brainwashing rhetoric yourself, so I’m going to leave you to sit with that. Hope you can find closure.
Good for them I guess, but what’s the point when the holy books themselves are rabidly misogynistic? There’s only so much reformation you can do without completely discarding the foundations of the religions themselves. Granted, that’s what most Christians do with the old testament.