System of a Down - The Prison Song
Libs be like “this is a totally organic movement with broad local support”
Take a moment to imagine the absolutely demonic levels of McCarthyism that would be unleashed if it was discovered that BLM or the Green Party were headquartered in Beijing.
Don’t forget they also love Israel. Xinjiang averted the fate of Gaza and all the people complaining about China being “heavy handed” there should just shut up.
Holy shit
Poor analogy. The US kills muslim people like they were rats. The secretary of offense is covered in tattoos glorifying the Medieval crusades and wrote a book titled “American Crusade” explaining the US is in a “holy war” agains muslims and China.
So “East Turkestan government in exile” is headquartered in the capital of the empire that is is in a bloodthirsthy fanatical war against muslims. This empire also has “must destroy China” as its foreign policy absolute priority.
Therefore, the corret analogy would be a separatist Jewish movement that wanted to take away a critical part of the USSR. And it is funded and headquartered in Nazi Germany. Who would believe them? The same people who believe the US is motivated by love of Muslims and only reluctantly funds a separatist movement to take away a critical part of China.
They even have the same fucking graphic design style of the state department fam lmao how are gringos real
The fuck is up with the Chinese propaganda on this website…
There are a lot of communists on Lemmy, and communists tend to support socialist countries. Simple as that. Plus, in the current era where the US Empire is dying, China is presenting itself as a better trade partner for the global south, one focused more on multilateralism and not on imperialism.
Why are they trying to brute-force propaganda? At least be subtle, and bribe us next time.
What do you mean by “brute-forcing” propaganda? Agitprop is one of the main ways communists recruit new members.
lol would you prefer for us to lie and say all the countries of the world are horrible, cynicism is the only consistent ideology, and we’re all doomed so nothing matters?
It’s insane that people would even dare to compare the two. China literally doesn’t even have a legal system that pretends to be functioning and a Chinese person can’t even type LGTBQ on the internet. Isn’t that insane?
US is like 5/10 while China is literally breaking the scale.
Ah, another Chinese and Russian propaganda post by a new user on Lemmy.ml. I’m starting to note a pattern here. If they can’t get it together over there, maybe we should hold a vote to defederate from them. We don’t need Lemmy as a whole becoming meta, a playground For shell accounts and agitators.
Oh no! What ever will we do without the libs!
Imagine shilling for the modern Chinese and Russian states like they’re anything like the dreams of Marx Lmao. Ah yes, dictatorial oligarchic state ala Russia and a mass survailed and thought crime regulating state ala China , what a worker’s paradise.
Here’s a question for your PRC handlers, if your ideas are so good, why do you feel the need to limit your citizen’s access to information? Why did they feel the need to treat Hong Kong in such a way?
Because they have the same mentality as the uber religious, they think their beliefs are the one truth, but yet they’re terrified they can’t stand up to new information.
Don’t get me wrong, America sucks for workers, but I have waaaay more civil liberties than these places, for now
Imagine shilling for the modern American and European states like they’re anything anything like the ideals of socialism. Lmao. Ah yes, a neo-liberal oligarchic state ala America and a mass-surveilled and thought-crime regulating state ala the EU, what a worker’s paradise.
Here’s a question for your NATO handlers, if your ideas are so good, why do you feel the need to limit your citizen’s access to affordable healthcare? Why did they feel the need to treat the working class in such a way?
Because they have the same mentality as the uber religious, they think their beliefs are the one truth, but yet they’re terrified they can’t stand up to new information.
Don’t get me wrong, China might have its small issues, but at least they prioritize collective welfare over individual greed.
Just changing the Countries names doesn’t make it true… There is no mass surveillance in Europe. There is in China.
There is britain, the most surveilled country on earth… its in europe…
There’s absolutely mass surveilance in Europe, lmao.
Sure buddy, if you say so
Yes, I do, lol.
Extremely incorrect, in any easily verifiable way for which a reasonable person would be deeply embarrassed
your NATO handlers
You’ve definitely absorbed some propaganda. It’s anyone’s guess whether it came from Russia or China though. There is literally no reason to have a problem with NATO.
NATO is a millitary alliance of the world’s imperialist powers. Just like the cops are the thugs protecting capital, NATO are the fascists protecting imperialism. NATO destroyed Libya and Yugoslavia, and has launched terrorist attacks.
Small issues . Lmao ok. Tell me what the the villages are like in rural China. Have the collective welfare trickled down to them yet?
And open access to information via the internet and open speech are one of the main pillars of a successful society, and neither states have that. Who cares if you’re my comrade of I can’t speak against you if need be or have the ability to refute your information with research.
China has one of the fastest growing numbers of millionaires in the world yet its farmers and factory workers are still poor as shit, how’s that collectivism? It’s just state capitalism
The gap between rural and urban development has long been acknowledged and is already something worked on. The famous poverty eraducation campaign was focused on just that. Read The Metamorphosis of Yuangudui to see what that looks like in practice.
Secondly, the speech of capitalists and western media is restricted, but citizens speak to each other freely. The purpose of the control on western and capitalist propaganda is to develop independence and not let the west set the narrative.
Lastly, purchasing Power in 2022 was 25 times higher than 1978. This process is continuous. Further, the large firms and key industries are publicly owned, it’s a socialist country. You need to turn off Fox News and actually look at what’s happening in China right now.
citizens speak to each other freely
Can citizens investigate their government and publish and distribute criticisms of their government?
Depends, are they capitalists trying to undermine the system, or are they genuinely in support of socialism? If the former, no, if the latter, probably, though again if your other comments are anything to go by you just want liberalism to take over China.
This is a tier 4 city in China. Which is far down the development ladder and considered poor.
The vast majority of Chinese live in cities like this or better. Saying that there are still poor villages, well I give you this
Kensington Philadelphia is so drug infested people walk around like zombies. Does China have poor areas like that? Actually no, even the poorest villages aren’t that bad.
You are correct, this is all imaginary
Please report comments like this in the future ppl.
100% Agree. They all seem to be excusing chinese authoritarianism
Bedtimes are authoritarian
No bedtime, no spinach 😤
They’re right, cry about it
maybe we should hold a vote to defederate from them
Not to mention, it’s always the dumbest finger-pointing arguments that make them sound like children. Also, I wouldn’t be surprised if China was using children to write these posts.
Pure projection
Does the liberal mindset have no bottom to the ChInA BaD narratives it can spin?
Will Winnie the Pooh ever stop providing evidence that it’s a shitty place to live?
Winnie the Pooh was never banned in China, be less gullible
Winnie the Pooh was never banned in China
It absolutely was banned in China. Be less contrarian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Winnie-the-Pooh_in_China
Lol you are like a little baby
Oh my, you have a NATOpedia article? Clearly that’s beyond reproach.
I guess Epstein killed himself and Nordstream just did that on its own.
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Using a yellow bear to refer to a Chinese man is pretty clearly a racist dogwhistle.
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China is a great place to live, that is constantly improving and developing. The evidence backs this.
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China isn’t imperialist, it doesn’t run an economy focused on international extraction like the west does.
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Yeah every one I’ve come across in the last few days have sounded like children. Or maybe they didn’t train hard enough on their language skills at troll camp
We are not all like this. I find memes like these stupid too.
What does a totalitarian state even mean? Based on liberals, left communists, and anarchists, it’s every socialist experiment that had lasted a great amount of time and accomplished better living standards for their citizens. 😂
I just gotta pop in and say: thank you, comrades, for absolutely making my morning by dunking on some capitalists’ useful idiots.
I don’t know what it is about this post in particular, but the threadiverse isn’t sending its best 🤷
I think some of the Reddit refuges honestly think Reddit sucks because Spez Man Bad. There’s no analysis of what creates Reddits and Spezes, and therefore they don’t recognize who made this platform and why.
I have to believe ultimately some of these people will come around, so that’s good at least.
Many do come around, Lemmy is quite good at radicalizing and educating in my experience.
The Chapotraphouse subreddit was radicalizing a lot of redditors when it was repeatedly hitting the front page of reddit fairly regularly and exposing people to counter-ideologies to liberalism that they never would have seen otherwise. Which is the reason why it (and then a slew of other popular lefty subs) had to be banned*. Despite all the lib-brained nonsense we have to constantly correct on this platform (the fediverse), there are an untold number of lurkers reading these discussions who are getting to see what actual leftist thought looks like when the narrow guardrails on the dominant narrative get removed. That exposure, especially when combined with witnessing the rapid intensifying of contradictions in their irl experiences, is enough to radicalize any thinking, genuinely open person. Lemmy being one of the few spaces on the internet where these things aren’t hidden or removed on sight absolutely plays a role in a lot of users’ leftward political evolution.
*It’s also why the fed instances like .world and piefed preemptively defederate, block, and continuously slander and demonize all of the leftist instances. They are literally trying to mitigate the spread of leftism that is inevitable when exposure to thought that’s outside the dominant ideology has a chance to get seen and voiced.
Very well said! Far better than I did, haha. I comment a lot on the Lemmy.ml side of things, and have gotten lurkers thanking me in DMs from time to time so I can absolutely back uo what you’re saying. I also just like using Hex to relax, when I don’t want to argue, haha.
I’m kind of new to lemmy in general and judging by the other comments I want to ask: is lemmy.ml full of ultras? Or is that what you’re talking about in saying they didn’t send their best?
If it is full of ultras, do you know of an instance(?) that either critically supports AES countries or at least has more of a mixed set of users? I don’t mind debate, but on every single comment it would get tiring.
Lemmy.ml is largely Marxist-Leninist, ultras are few on the fediverse. If you want an instance that is explicitly ML, then there’s Lemmygrad.ml. Hexbear.net is left-unity but doesn’t allow sectarianism, and is generally ML/anarchist, not generally ultra.
I have an account on lemmygrad as well so that’s good news to me. I’m now thinking that it’s more of an issue of me not fully grasping how the instances are organised having come from reddit.
Thanks for your input, my friend :)
No problem, comrade!
How frequent are alt-downvotes?
Not as frequent as they once used to be.
Gotcha.
Yep, used to be very frequent. They’re easy to spot because they’re either no content accounts, or old accounts, with maybe 1 comment per month. We permaban them as they add nothing of value.
Makes sense!
They get Rule 4, “No Ads / Spamming,” because they’re spamming votes.
old accounts, with maybe 1 comment per month
Isn’t that just lurking behaviour?
If they are, its impossible to distinguish them from the targeted downvote bots ppl have written for lemmy.
Jokes on them, my instance ignores down votes. Lol
That’s one of the things I like about blahaj, same as Hexbear. It would be cool if blahaj and Hexbear would refederate, but I understand why that’s unlikely.
Anytime comrade 🫡
China has noodles though.
Delicious noodles!
both are. have fun fighting eachother in the mud.
All states are authoritarian, in that they are instruments by which one class oppresses the others. What this doesn’t say anything about alone, though, is which class is in power. In the US Empire, the capitalists are in power, and use the authority of the state to crush workers when workers rise up. In the PRC, the working class is in power, and the state keeps capitalists in check and appropriates their capital gradually.
The only way out of authoritarian control by any class is to get rid of classes entirely, which requires full collectivization of production. China is actively building towards that, the US Empire is opposing it. Until we get to a classless society, it’s better for the working class to be in charge.
“the working class” meaning the (one) party tho, lol.
Yes. Democracy isn’t about choosing between parties, but having substantive input on direction that results in the will of the people being carried out. This is true of China, policy is typically driven from the bottom-up, a process called “whole process people’s democracy.” This is expressed, as an example, through Five Year Plans that are the result of mass polling and suggestions among the populace. The CPC has over 100 million members in a country of 1.4 billion.
The state isn’t a class in and of itself, it can only serve as representative of a class. In the PRC, that class is the working class. The communists beat the nationalists in the Chinese Civil War, and from that point on the working class has been in control.
It can be both. Carrying water for china you fucjing loser.
China IS a totalitarian state, and the US is turning into one…by acting more like China.
What on earth do you mean by “totalitarian?” China’s a democratic country, if the US was acting more like China we’d actually have good infrastructure, manufacturing, democracy, and a coherent plan for the future. Sadly, the US isn’t a socialist country.
China’s a democratic country
You know how America’s two party system is bad and really just a shadow of democracy?
China has a one-party system.
Democracy doesn’t mean “the ability to vote between parties,” it means the ability for the people to dictate policy. Socialist democracy cares far more about the latter than the former, while capitalists sell the lie that the former is what democracy even means to begin with.
Shit redditors say 😂
If the US acted more like China y’all could actually be the best country in the world like your delusional population believes.
Rising standards of living, life expectancy, housing for everyone, affordable healthcare and fresh produce. What horrors, they don’t even poison themselves with hormone burgers bro.
But the entire world is experiencing rising standards of living and life expectancy, due to improvements in medicine and agriculture.
And don’t citizens have to pay for their healthcare in China? It’s only partially subsidized. Is that a country you want to emulate?
False. The US prison population (relative to total population) is more than five times superior to China’s. US prisons are for-profit and lease prisioners to perform slave labor for other companies.
China is not only freer than Trump’s US, it is freer than Obama’s or Clinton’s US.
By the way, US elections have only two viable parties by design. Billionaires control the media and campaing funding. The system allows two choices for the people:
- Republicans: the entire world, including its natural resources and its people, are the private property of 100 persons.
- Democrats: Agreed! But we impose gender quotas on this 100-persons elite. This makes us democratic ™.
Both are garbage. The US is just a bigger pile of garbage (for now).
Totally both are garbage. But from anti-colonial and anti-authoritarian perspective, US has always been garbage. Trump only removed the pretensions. I mean, Joe Biden affirmed that US will invade Holland if any Americans are arrested by the International Court there. So much for a country that purports rules based international order, if that most supreme power the world has ever seen confirmed that such rules and order don’t apply to them.
Hi, CIA
recently found out this is a shunned view on a lot of lemmy
Freedom with the most people in prison
They’re not always in prison, sometimes we let them do their forced labor outside.
Agreed, the US prison system is legalized form of slavery
Yes, true
Thank God that in China you can’t simply be “disappeared”, you won’t be sent to reeducation camps, and you won’t be slaughtered.
Right?
Yea yea yea, just keep parroting those liberal talking points ROFL
How much have you travelled, lived and worked in China? How far outside the tier 1 cities have you gotten?
If you think every criticism of China is just liberal talking points, I assume the answers to those questions are all “not very much”.
Good thing you ate the capitalists’ propaganda onion and are now doing their work for free, contributing to your continued exploitation.
And you don’t think this happens in China?
I have no reason to believe people are being disappeared, no, but I do have reason to believe that the US and its junior partners will continue claiming that they are. It’s big business.
Just more western propaganda to push the china bad narrative
Correct, you won’t.
China is indeed authoritarian, rich people cannot shape society however they want in China.
