It’s a big part of why I stick w/ my company when I know I can get higher pay elsewhere. My boss is actually pretty reasonable and the workload is totally acceptable.
My employer used to be reasonable. Now after having the office moved to another county they are expecting me to just switch from remote to hybrid working starting Monday morning.
I am not doing it. But feeling quite a bit of anxiety over the situation as I don’t really know what is going to happen. I hope a lot of people refuse to but I don’t know if they are. I do know that a lot don’t want to.
We switched from 2 days in office to 3, which was annoying, but not my boss’ fault, that came straight from the CEO. My boss does a good job fighting for us, and we enjoy a good amount of autonomy from the rest of the bs that goes on in the company.
Everyone has their line. Mine has been max 3 days in office for years now, but maybe yours is full remote. Once you hear that your line will be crossed, start looking immediately and push back once you feel you have a good backup plan.
What I dislike is the constant push to get people in more and more often. It seems clear that they want everyone in all the time eventually. I can’t even afford that kind of commuting cost since they moved the office over 50 miles away.
The difference is that everyone on my team was hired with the understanding that either they’re local or they’d relocate after the COVID restrictions were lifted, so remote work was a temporary situation. The understanding was always 2 days in office (despite corporate policy being 3 days), and our VP ensured it stayed that way for 4 years. At the end of that, our CEO and VP changed, and we were forced onto the existing 3-day in office corporate policy, and they require that one of those days are Monday or Friday.
IMO, that’s totally acceptable. It’s not like these other companies that advertised full remote and then switched to hybrid or even full in office.
The real problem is the bait and switch. If you’re going to change the terms of the deal, give people a lot of time to adjust. If you’re going to change from full remote to hybrid or full in office, give people multiple months to adjust since they may decide to move.
There is no amount of time that could ever make the bait and switch reasonable, changing a commute from less than 5 miles to well over 50 is not something you can adjust to.
Give us that redundancy payout if you really insist its necessary to come into the office. Then have fun when you have no one left that knows how the product works.
I disagree, I think 6 months is fine, and if the relocation of the office is significantly far away (i.e. your case), then also offer a relocation package. That gives people enough time to find new work, sell their house/lease, etc. Maybe it’s better to offer people their choice of severance or relocation, but I don’t think severance is necessary if they give sufficiently advanced notice.
I would venture to say it never is. I worked in a toxic environment for five years, and it literally made me ill.
My hair started falling out in big handfuls and I had constant digestive problems. I went to a series of doctors and ended up with an endocrinologist who said my thyroid was overactive and might need to be irradiated to stop the problems. Then at my next appointment, it was under-active. It didn’t make sense.
I had already been looking for a new job, and I changed jobs after that second appointment. A month later, all of my problems had gone away. It turned out all the havoc in my body was just due to stress.
They could have quadrupled my pay and it still wouldn’t have been worth the effects on my health.
It’s a big part of why I stick w/ my company when I know I can get higher pay elsewhere. My boss is actually pretty reasonable and the workload is totally acceptable.
My employer used to be reasonable. Now after having the office moved to another county they are expecting me to just switch from remote to hybrid working starting Monday morning.
I am not doing it. But feeling quite a bit of anxiety over the situation as I don’t really know what is going to happen. I hope a lot of people refuse to but I don’t know if they are. I do know that a lot don’t want to.
We switched from 2 days in office to 3, which was annoying, but not my boss’ fault, that came straight from the CEO. My boss does a good job fighting for us, and we enjoy a good amount of autonomy from the rest of the bs that goes on in the company.
Everyone has their line. Mine has been max 3 days in office for years now, but maybe yours is full remote. Once you hear that your line will be crossed, start looking immediately and push back once you feel you have a good backup plan.
What I dislike is the constant push to get people in more and more often. It seems clear that they want everyone in all the time eventually. I can’t even afford that kind of commuting cost since they moved the office over 50 miles away.
Yeah, I get that.
The difference is that everyone on my team was hired with the understanding that either they’re local or they’d relocate after the COVID restrictions were lifted, so remote work was a temporary situation. The understanding was always 2 days in office (despite corporate policy being 3 days), and our VP ensured it stayed that way for 4 years. At the end of that, our CEO and VP changed, and we were forced onto the existing 3-day in office corporate policy, and they require that one of those days are Monday or Friday.
IMO, that’s totally acceptable. It’s not like these other companies that advertised full remote and then switched to hybrid or even full in office.
The real problem is the bait and switch. If you’re going to change the terms of the deal, give people a lot of time to adjust. If you’re going to change from full remote to hybrid or full in office, give people multiple months to adjust since they may decide to move.
There is no amount of time that could ever make the bait and switch reasonable, changing a commute from less than 5 miles to well over 50 is not something you can adjust to.
Give us that redundancy payout if you really insist its necessary to come into the office. Then have fun when you have no one left that knows how the product works.
I disagree, I think 6 months is fine, and if the relocation of the office is significantly far away (i.e. your case), then also offer a relocation package. That gives people enough time to find new work, sell their house/lease, etc. Maybe it’s better to offer people their choice of severance or relocation, but I don’t think severance is necessary if they give sufficiently advanced notice.
A company shouldn’t be able to avoid giving out redundancy payouts just by moving the office and saying well you should move.
Yeah. Sometimes pay isn’t worth the toxic environment.
I would venture to say it never is. I worked in a toxic environment for five years, and it literally made me ill.
My hair started falling out in big handfuls and I had constant digestive problems. I went to a series of doctors and ended up with an endocrinologist who said my thyroid was overactive and might need to be irradiated to stop the problems. Then at my next appointment, it was under-active. It didn’t make sense.
I had already been looking for a new job, and I changed jobs after that second appointment. A month later, all of my problems had gone away. It turned out all the havoc in my body was just due to stress.
They could have quadrupled my pay and it still wouldn’t have been worth the effects on my health.