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I FUCKING HATE THIS TIMELINE.
Good luck with that, maybe parents should step the fuck up and start parenting instead of fucking up the Internet?
But think of all those children who lost their lives because they saw people having sex on the Internet!
The ones that survived are scared for life! Missing limbs, eyes blinded, forever unable to work. They’ll be begging on the streets!
Right?
You are mixing things up. You are thinking of the genocide that is actively supported by the UK government.
Yeah, I died probably thousands of times as a teenager.
Is there any data to support this? Are parents not parenting or is gov using “for the children” 100th time as an excuse?
A little of this … a little of that. Some good parents, some bad parents.
Pound shop China.
How about… Supervise your children’s use of technology? Don’t give them unrestricted devices? The government can’t do anything to stop a motivated intelligent kid, but parents can (to a greater degree at least)
I’m sorry, are you suggesting I actually parent my children? Really? Have you seen them? 😂
No no, much better to get the government to do this for me. All I care about is sourdough and designer dogs.
Holy shit that is a nonsensical sentence
It’d not about children, and it’s not about parents.
When you phrase this as anything but being about control you’re playing their game.
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Dame Rachel told BBC Newsnight: “Of course, we need age verification on VPNs - it’s absolutely a loophole that needs closing and that’s one of my major recommendations.”
She wants ministers to explore requiring VPNs “to implement highly effective age assurances to stop underage users from accessing pornography.”
Stop trying to enforce this at the service level, for God’s sake. What are you going to do when people switch to stuff like Tor?* ‘Online safety regulation pushes kids to that dark web’ will be a fire headline in a couple of months/years.
* I remember seeing someone link to something here they described as ‘Tor for apps’ that I can’t find, does anyone have that at hand?
The report also found more children are stumbling across pornography accidentally, with some of the 16 to 21-year-olds surveyed saying they had viewed it “aged six or younger”.
I’m sorry, but this is genuinely a failure of parents. Like, I’m not normally one to trot out the ‘parents should helicopter their children’ defence against regulation of social media, but giving a bloody six year old not-monitored-enough access to the internet is on the parent.
Also, I’d take this all a lot more seriously if parents actually used the tools already available to them:
We actually already have measures to deal with this: back in 2011 the government worked with ISPs (internet service providers) to come up with a Code of Practice on implementing ‘parental controls’ for all new customers. In 2013 this was adopted by all the major players. So when you (an adult – because you have to be over 18 to do this) register for an internet connection, you are offered adult content filtering by default. You can tweak this, if you like, for example you can decide you’re happy for your family to access social media sites but not pornography. Or if you don’t anticipate any children using your connection, you can opt out of adult filters altogether. Research conducted in 2022, however, found that although 61% of parents were aware of these filters, only 27% actually used them. Again, sing it with me: lol.
Back to the BBC article.
More than half of respondents to the survey had viewed strangulation as children, prompting Dame Rachel to also ask the government to ban depictions of it.
This is an implicit admission that age verification is ineffective. If it was, then children wouldn’t see it and then we wouldn’t need to ban it.
It’s easier to police the users than it is to get social media companies to actually do the literal minimum amount of work to protect children. Plus it has the added benefit of greatly expanding the surveillance infrastructure so they can clamp down on those pesky 80 year old nuns who oppose genocide.
Tor is U.S. jurisdiction kinda so it can’t really be blocked or regulated.
People like me have been screaming for the past year or two that all these laws do is push children and other people onto more seedy sites.
How is Tor under US jurisdiction?
“Kinda” as in its maintained by a U.S. nonprofit EFF. The U.S. government also made it but I don’t think the current “administration” would be rational about not fucking with it.
Thats cool and all but its completely irrelevant to the operation of the Tor network. Even if the EFF was wiped out of existence, the Tor network would keep running and the code would simply be forked and development would continue…
Oh. Hm. TIL thanks :)
None of this was ever actually about protecting anybody’s children.
The weird thing is that I’ve been ogling internet porn since the internet was invented, and I have never seen any strangulation porn ever. This sort of shit you have to hunt down. You certainly don’t “stumble across” it.
It’s insane - I don’t give unrestricted internet access (certainly no social media) to my 9 year old, let alone a 6 year old!
Parent education is needed badly!
Yep. But these authoritarians do not think you should have a choice. Because some parents fail. They will use the claim to control all internet.
It is no accident that the solution is the force data sharing with the least trusted companies when it comes to data.
Just as smart folks choosing to pay VPN as more trusted then sharing data with random porn sites scares the crap out of them.
It’s got little to do with protecting anyone. Def not your children.
It’s because of the idiots that proudly announce that they “don’t do computers”. Refusing to understand even at a fundamental level the most basic parts of computing is like refusing to learn to read, it’s just not acceptable in modern life.
Honestly, country is gripped by clowns.
Would not be at all surprised to find the commissioner has shares or a financial interest in Age Verification companies.
I imagine they will start enforcing age checks on payments to VPN companies
Lmao kids would just pay double to some proxy. Or use a free service.
Hell, even Android ProtonVPN app can not only be used for free, but also without sign up:
If you prefer, you can use the app without a Proton Account. Simply tap Continue as guest. Doing this allows you to access all the free features available in the app. To access our premium features, you’ll need to sign in with a paid Proton VPN account.
Dame Rachel told BBC Newsnight: “Of course, we need age verification on VPNs - it’s absolutely a loophole that needs closing and that’s one of my major recommendations.”
She wants ministers to explore requiring VPNs “to implement highly effective age assurances to stop underage users from accessing pornography.”
That’s not how… That doesn’t…
Oh you know what? They’ll find out.
I have my doubts. Most people barely grasp the surface of what technology can do, let alone understand how it does it.
They also don’t understand that whatever they come up with, technology has a way around it.
That’s always the problem with escalation wars on this sort of thing.
Incidentally, I saw reports today about the fallout of the regulation in EU press. One highlighted as a success of the measure that traffic to the top ]porn sites from the UK had dropped by about half (which shouldn’t have been the case if only underage users were blocked anyway). It proceeded to flag all the EU countries prepping similar regulation.
In their defense they also reported further down the article that VPN usage had skyrocketed and traffic to smaller, less safe sites that had just ignored the regulation had gone up a lot as well. I’m sure that’s unrelated, though.
Guys don’t get sucked into the misdirecting packing - this is nothing to do with keeping children safe. Better parental effort isn’t going to make this UK govt stop the initiative because it has absolutely nothing to do with child safety.
This is about authoritarian tracking of everything a UK citizen does and says online - that’s why the careful quote is about it being ok for adults to have VPN not kids.
You know how they do that ? They make it necessary to show ID to have a VPN so then they can track what the adults are doing on a VPN.
The “think of the children” pearl clutching is a sham and a scam
Yup, do you have a license to use that VPN bruv?
I have been saying this is the long term aim of this style of legislation for years.
They knew when they implemented IPA back in 2016 that VPNs would be an ongoing problem and have been chipping away at the perception of them since then.
Well, time to start sending envelopes of cash to Mullvad!
Till they come after you for doing so.
The way it will work is a public crackdown on a couple of the big providers, then a few high profile cases where unlicensed VPN usage will be a tacked on offense with additional penalties for those getting investigated.
Its the same with the identity checks now, big porn sites and the like have them or will have them very soon, some small scale stuff does not and might get away with not implementing it. Using such small scale sites then becomes grounds for further investigation if you get swept up with it later.
These things are never about 100% compliance, there will always be those who can work around it. However working around it will in itself become an offense and grounds for further investigation.
It’s never ever been about the children. Every time someone uses children as a meat shield for their arguments it’s because arguing against it is hard.
“We need to execute all criminals to protect the children!l”
“That doesn’t sound like a good idea.”
“What? You’d support a rapist pedophile over an innocent child? You support pedos??”
Stop children using VPNs to watch porn
Stop children using VPNs to watch porn
Stop children using VPNs to watch porn
So many ways to read this
Giving adults free access to high quality porn in exchange for stopping children using VPNs would probably be fairly effective.
It would work for me. Sorry kids, no VPN for you.
Age verification on VPNs. Hmm, collecting the ID of people that want to hide their identity. Seems about right.
Staunch conservative - wants a totalitarian state.
Nothing newsworthy there.
Might be relevant
Next up: Stop children using HTTPS to watch porn.
