One downside is that i’ll have no more passkeys. The vault syncing, i can do via SyncThing.
Never self host critical things
I’ve been using Strongbox since 1Password switched to subscription only and it’s been good. It’s based on Keepass and supports all the normal password manager stuff (TOTP, passkeys, etc):
https://strongboxsafe.com/personal/
I use the desktop and mobile apps, and keep my vault stored in my iCloud account so everything is always synced real time without relying on a third party cloud (yes, I know I’m still relying on Apple for that).
Why not just use Apple Passwords app since you’re using iCloud for sync anyway?
I tried it and just couldn’t get on board with it. Severely lacking in features that I use often. Would have been my preference but it came up short.
I think proton is the most blocked by governments group of services in the entire world. To have a backup in .kbdx file sounds at least like a good idea.
At least KeePassium also supports passkeys.
There have been too many data breaches from cloud-based services to trust another one. I have a Proton account for email and online storage, but I won’t use their password service because it’s cloud based.
https://blog.lastpass.com/posts/notice-of-recent-security-incident
Lastpass leaked their password database in 2022, and bad actors are still using it to access peoples files, stealing passwords and hundreds of thousands of dollars in crypto.
DON’T trust anything important to cloud-based storage or services. Use Keepass. Use Syncthing if you need to keep the database on multiple devices.
(I see other comments using Dropbox. Dropbox = cloud. Don’t store anything security related in the cloud.)
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So was LastPass. But when they’re sore sleeped it turned out their encryption method was crappy. Just because something is encrypted doesn’t mean that it’s safe.
The key is that proton pass and bit warden and keypass are open source and have all passed independent security audits.
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What is this fight club? /s
You could totally talk about E2EE if the client was SA/Electron. If the blob is just getting transferred and stored and the passphrase is never transferred, that’s E2EE.
Come to think of it, if they throw in extra keys when you make your blob, it’s still E2EE, even if they have a key for it. Perhaps we need to think differently about E2EE being then end all.
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I know I can probably google this. But where are the passwords from Keepass stored? Or what makes it harder to hack?
I still use 1Password because the subscription is still running and I was planning to switch to Proton Pass once that is over. I know 1Password is harder to crack due to their 2nd master key password (or whatever they call it)
Keepass just uses a (local) file, but it expects and can handle if the file is modified externally. That’s important because it means you can store it on a network share, or in some sort of synchronized storage, self hosted or not (next cloud, sync thing, Google drive, whatever). It’s just up to you. If you have it open on your PC and you add an entry on your phone, your PC won’t “overwrite” it, but integrates any changes you’re making there at the same time.
For example the android client has direct support for a long list on storage services for this exact reason.
They are are stored encrypted on your computer if I’m not mistaken
It really depend on your threat model, Proton Pass is fine. Of course a self-hosted or local solution will be more privacy friendly but at the cost of being responsable for security and good backups (3,2 1 rule).
There is no black or white regarding privacy. You want to ask yourself what you want to protect from and is the investment worth being sovereign ?
Wdym by “threat model” ?
KeePass then you have your own file instead of relying on a third party. And you are free to sync it how you wish , syncthing is great . I left proton earlier since I don’t trust them , but never used the proton pass at all.
Do both local and cloud backup using keepass or keepassxc, use dropbox or g drive, or private cloud. The .kdbx file is already encrypted when at rest.
I can’t daily drive both.
What do you mean daily drive both? You can just upload the keepass file to Dropbox and gdrive, its encrypted in the unlikely event of a security breach
Doesn’t keypass support passkeys?
As you can see from the thread, this question is divided amongst the cult of “sensible privacy is a thing provided you’re not a criminal” to the cult of “everybody’s on a FEMA/🧊 spreadsheet and they’re working their way down”.
I’d say make sure you use a separate password for proton pass, it’s an advanced option. You are far more likely to get hacked for your money and password manager goes 97% of the way to defeating those attacks.
Don’t take your eye off the ball. The real threats to your wallet have always been the shareholders.
AFAIK, no; keepass does NOT support passkeys. TOTP’s are still fine though.
Sorry, I was thinking of keepasssXC which does have passkey support
I think I’ve done the opposite of most. After using keepassx for the last 4 or 5 years I switched to ProtonPass.
I value security and privacy but Ive realized some of my processes have become too complex, like using syncthing to keep my keepass on my phone and PC aligned. I’m not confident that older man version of me will be able to keep up so Ive stared valuing simplicity.
Im sure many will argue that it is simple but between backups and keys and passwords it really is a lot, especially with a new device each time.
I think I’ve done the opposite of most. After using keepassx for the last 4 or 5 years I switched to ProtonPass.
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I also realised that the attack surface is much greater with my approach with KeePass compared to simply paying a company whose primary mission is to keep my secrets secret.
It helps that I’m just a regular paranoid bloke and not a secret agent or something like that.
It will always be safer to store sensitive information in a system that you control than in a system that someone else controls. KeePass is easy to setup, it’s easy to use, and it provides excellent protection.
i use keepassxc and from protonpass and its great its a lot lot more manuel work but in theory its worth it anything with a internet connection can be hacked
personally I use keepass for important things and don’t sue extension or anything that would pull from it and I use bitwarden for unimportant passwords. not that bitwarden is necessarilly unsafe but im a person who ultimately thinks its best I completely control the important things.
Any specific reason that makes Proton Pass less secure? I am curious since I am using both pass and bitwarden at the moment. bitwarden for all my logins and pass for alias + their logins.
I like that KeePass on PC and Android lets you use an autotype feature if autofill isn’t working instead of using copy paste.
Syncthing is fine and secure, but be absolutely sure you set of some kind of file versioning for the shared folder. at least a trashcan versioning, if not better. protects you against accidental deletion
Something I never fully understood with file versioning is on which side to apply it. The source or the receiving end?
on the receiving end. Syncthing cant act to keep a version before you delete a file locally, but it can move a remotely deleted file to the version control instead of deleting it
There is no source or receiving end. Syncthing is omnidirectional synchronization. Versioning is applied across all syncs.
