Berlin's data protection commissioner reported the Chinese AI app DeepSeek to Apple and Google for EU data protection violations, urging its removal from German app stores due to data transfer concerns
Only people who don’t have their heads buried in the sand. You can’t possibly believe China is not much much worse than the US. I literally don’t believe you. You’re a bot or a paid actor.
There’s plenty of nuance but that’s not relevant in generalities.
there’s a lot of good happening there too.
No one said it’s all bad. There’s lots of good everywhere. That doesn’t mean everywhere is an equally good place.
Have you been to China? If not, you should 100% go and check it out for yourself!
What am I going to find out by going there that I can’t read about? That I’ve been lied to? That the CCP isn’t blocking information about Tianenmen Square and other govt atrocities? That the mere act of protesting isn’t illegal? That they aren’t murdering dissidents? Privacy in it’s entirety isn’t illegal?
When it comes to AI models, China is streets ahead in openness.
No one was talking about openness, we were talking about data collection.
All openai data goes to the NSA
Online deepseek data goes to the CCP. Local models stay private.
You’re comparing online models with local models. Local OpenAI models are also private.
The only people believing that Americans are superior in everything are Americans.
Good thing no one said that. It’s not just America either. Most countries are significantly more free than China (and Russia and North Korea), and if you don’t believe that, you need to open your eyes.
Okay at this point its pretty clear you have no intention of good faith discussion and want to constantly redirect the conversation to a strawman argument so I’m going to bail.
You asked “which countries”.
Only people who don’t have their heads buried in the sand. You can’t possibly believe China is not much much worse than the US. I literally don’t believe you. You’re a bot or a paid actor.
Wow nuance much?
Yes, China has problems with authoritarianism, and curtailing free speech and such.
But, there’s a lot of good happening there too.
It’s not black and white.
USA v. China is not Gondor v. Mordor.
Have you been to China?
If not, you should 100% go and check it out for yourself!
There’s plenty of nuance but that’s not relevant in generalities.
No one said it’s all bad. There’s lots of good everywhere. That doesn’t mean everywhere is an equally good place.
What am I going to find out by going there that I can’t read about? That I’ve been lied to? That the CCP isn’t blocking information about Tianenmen Square and other govt atrocities? That the mere act of protesting isn’t illegal? That they aren’t murdering dissidents? Privacy in it’s entirety isn’t illegal?
Countries and LLM model providers associated with those countries.
All openai data goes to the NSA
Online deepseek data goes to the CCP. Local models stay private.
When it comes to AI models, China is streets ahead in openness.
But if you are introducing other factors, ask an Iranian what they prefer; money from China or bombs from the US and vassal states?
The only people believing that Americans are superior in everything are Americans.
No one was talking about openness, we were talking about data collection.
You’re comparing online models with local models. Local OpenAI models are also private.
Good thing no one said that. It’s not just America either. Most countries are significantly more free than China (and Russia and North Korea), and if you don’t believe that, you need to open your eyes.
The only way to ensure no data collection is to run locally, which requires openness.
Correct
They don’t exist, and privacy cannot be guaranteed.
So you do think that.
The word used was “worse” which is highly subjective.
Residents of “the land of the free” don’t understand irony.
Okay at this point its pretty clear you have no intention of good faith discussion and want to constantly redirect the conversation to a strawman argument so I’m going to bail.
Dude, you are the one inserting words like “freedom” trying to slide the conversation.
China is not worse , principally because worse is unmeasurable.