It’s more expensive to incarcerate someone for sleeping in public than it is to house them. It’s more expensive to incarcerate someone for shoplifting than it is to feed them.
In fairness, I’m pretty sure the vast majority of people favoring the incarceration are not aware of it being more expensive. They only see the dichotomy of punishing the crime vs. allowing the crime.
Traitor lunatics don’t care. They say stuff like “deport every last one of them illegals even if it costs a trillion dollars”. But I think you’re right that most people have been manipulated into thinking there isn’t even an alternative to harsh enforcement.
Also, they’re not scared. They can still kill his candidacy, and if they can’t, there are plenty of ways to blunt his power. Further, as we saw after Ross Perot got 19% of the vote in 1992, they can throw up institutional hurdles making it impossible for progressive candidates to have a shot at these offices in the future.
Most of all, though, it’s hard for me to get excited about this after watching Obama rule as a conservative when he sold us ‘hope and change’.
It’s more expensive profitable to incarcerate someone for sleeping in public than it is to house them. It’s more expensive profitable to incarcerate someone for shoplifting than it is to feed them.
My dad used to say that it was more of an incentive to get the masses to actually work instead of just subsisting and bringing the general level of the economy down to the point that it can’t support UBI anymore.
I don’t see how anyone can worry about that when we look at how people behaved during the pandemic. Lots of people around the world were paid their normal wages and not allowed to work, and yes, Netflix was used a lot more, but labor intensive hobbies absolutely exploded. People aren’t happy just doing nothing all the time.
There have been numerous studies about this, and they have all shown that this doesn’t happen. Canada did a multi-year trial with one town in the 2000s (before the program was shut down and the records sealed/destroyed by the conservative administration once they gained power) that showed a drop in workers in only two groups: high-school kids and pregnant women. It also coincided with a general increase in economic activity as well as a sharp increase in both grades in school and the number of kids graduating and going on to college afterward- especially among poor households. The general theory was that the extra money created financial security in poorer households and high-school kids didn’t have to work/drop out and get a job to help put food on the table and could therefore focus more on school and have a better chance at going to college and better job prospects in the future, breaking the cycle of poverty.
It’s to scare people into staying in work no matter how shitty it is because of the suffering.
It’s why bankruptcy is so devastating for normal people but rarely for the rich (just look at Trump).
Being rich isn’t a total amount lf money, its a differential between you and the majority, its the lack of laws that actually apply to you (drugs are the perfect example), its the lifestyle you can have compared to other people.
This is the main problem when it comes to politicians not caring that incarceration costs more than helping people.
An entire industry is built on profiting from legally-permissible slavery, and the only way to achieve growth is to either extract more value from the prisoners or the number of prisoners. The former isn’t an option since prison work isn’t mandatory, so that means growth is only achievable by imprisoning more people.
To make that happen, the prison-industrial complex uses lobbyists to encourage more “tough on crime” laws and harsher sentencing.
It really isn’t a surprise that the whole idea of rehabilitation scares the politicians getting kickbacks from a private prison industry that thrives on recividivism and driving people to do things that get themselves incarcerated. They don’t give a rat’s ass that it costs the taxpayer more money when the alternative means that their own livelihood will be negatively affected.
And that’s precisely why we need more elected progressive politicians. The career politicians we have right now don’t care about their constituents, they only care about their corporate masters.
It’s more expensive to incarcerate someone for sleeping in public than it is to house them. It’s more expensive to incarcerate someone for shoplifting than it is to feed them.
The suffering is the point.
In fairness, I’m pretty sure the vast majority of people favoring the incarceration are not aware of it being more expensive. They only see the dichotomy of punishing the crime vs. allowing the crime.
Traitor lunatics don’t care. They say stuff like “deport every last one of them illegals even if it costs a trillion dollars”. But I think you’re right that most people have been manipulated into thinking there isn’t even an alternative to harsh enforcement.
Agreed.
Also, they’re not scared. They can still kill his candidacy, and if they can’t, there are plenty of ways to blunt his power. Further, as we saw after Ross Perot got 19% of the vote in 1992, they can throw up institutional hurdles making it impossible for progressive candidates to have a shot at these offices in the future.
Most of all, though, it’s hard for me to get excited about this after watching Obama rule as a conservative when he sold us ‘hope and change’.
World Incarceration Rates If Every U.S. State Were A Country
The purpose of a system is what it does.
It’s more
expensiveprofitable to incarcerate someone for sleeping in public than it is to house them. It’s moreexpensiveprofitable to incarcerate someone for shoplifting than it is to feed them.The
sufferingshareholder value is the point.Turns out that imprisoning people in USA is a GREAT way to move public funds into select private pockets…
great news for the US economy,
half a million illegal people have just been created,
My dad used to say that it was more of an incentive to get the masses to actually work instead of just subsisting and bringing the general level of the economy down to the point that it can’t support UBI anymore.
I don’t see how anyone can worry about that when we look at how people behaved during the pandemic. Lots of people around the world were paid their normal wages and not allowed to work, and yes, Netflix was used a lot more, but labor intensive hobbies absolutely exploded. People aren’t happy just doing nothing all the time.
There have been numerous studies about this, and they have all shown that this doesn’t happen. Canada did a multi-year trial with one town in the 2000s (before the program was shut down and the records sealed/destroyed by the conservative administration once they gained power) that showed a drop in workers in only two groups: high-school kids and pregnant women. It also coincided with a general increase in economic activity as well as a sharp increase in both grades in school and the number of kids graduating and going on to college afterward- especially among poor households. The general theory was that the extra money created financial security in poorer households and high-school kids didn’t have to work/drop out and get a job to help put food on the table and could therefore focus more on school and have a better chance at going to college and better job prospects in the future, breaking the cycle of poverty.
Yeah, seriously… Humans love to work. We just don’t like being told what to do and pressured to do it on someone else’s time frame
Motivation is surprisingly easy to come by when you reap the full benefits of your labor.
It’s to scare people into staying in work no matter how shitty it is because of the suffering.
It’s why bankruptcy is so devastating for normal people but rarely for the rich (just look at Trump).
Being rich isn’t a total amount lf money, its a differential between you and the majority, its the lack of laws that actually apply to you (drugs are the perfect example), its the lifestyle you can have compared to other people.
It’s empathy being replaced by selfishness
But if you can get them into the private prison system the shareholders can make money at least! /s
This is the main problem when it comes to politicians not caring that incarceration costs more than helping people.
An entire industry is built on profiting from legally-permissible slavery, and the only way to achieve growth is to either extract more value from the prisoners or the number of prisoners. The former isn’t an option since prison work isn’t mandatory, so that means growth is only achievable by imprisoning more people.
To make that happen, the prison-industrial complex uses lobbyists to encourage more “tough on crime” laws and harsher sentencing.
It really isn’t a surprise that the whole idea of rehabilitation scares the politicians getting kickbacks from a private prison industry that thrives on recividivism and driving people to do things that get themselves incarcerated. They don’t give a rat’s ass that it costs the taxpayer more money when the alternative means that their own livelihood will be negatively affected.
And that’s precisely why we need more elected progressive politicians. The career politicians we have right now don’t care about their constituents, they only care about their corporate masters.