No I think anyone stanning for China and North Korea is a tankie — not a Marxist.
If it were that much better you’d have taken many more steps to move there. The fact is that it’s less advantageous for you to do so, not only that — they do not want you there.
There’s a variety of reasons why they don’t, but you’re more interested in establishing goalposts and then shifting them. I’m not interested in debating people who jerk themselves off about living in an authoritarian state.
Nobody genuinely “stans” countries. People support or condemn countries, with varying shades to each.
Further, a country being Socialist does not make it a magical utopia free from flaw. The PRC is better than the US Empire, but as I already said, I don’t have the money to move and don’t have the time or drive to devote to learning Mandarin. Neither of these are bad about the PRC, they just explain why it isn’t so easy a thing to say as “just move, lol.” It also erases that I want to help participate in building Socialism in the US, not just taking the easier path of abandoning it and letting everyone else struggle for that.
Moreover, the overwhelming majority of Marxist orgs at minimum support the PRC and DPRK. “Tankie” is just a pejorative for Marxist. There isn’t much to debate with you, you haven’t made a claim so much as you have spent time hating on Marxists.
The recommendation is ‘workers of the world, unite’, not ‘workers of the world, move somewhere that’s less shitty’.
The Chinese public would be more grateful if we overthrew our ruling class rather than moved to their country, for the simple fact that capitalism is a global phenomenon that harms both the international proletariat and the people’s republics.
I’m not arguing based simply on rhetoric, but based on logic. If, say, 90% of a given group is consistent and the remaining 10% go against that consistency, when you hate on the group for the 90% but claim the 10% are fine, you need to call into question the final 10%.
You aren’t interested in debate with anyone, just shit-slinging against Marxists and trying to say fascism and communism are equivalent, in which case I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds. Further, it should be noted that liberalism and fascism aren’t really separate ideologies, but the same ideology in different circumstances, fascism in decay and liberalism in plenty. Both are supportive of Capitalism, only socialism is genuinely capable of beating fascism.
No I think anyone stanning for China and North Korea is a tankie — not a Marxist.
If it were that much better you’d have taken many more steps to move there. The fact is that it’s less advantageous for you to do so, not only that — they do not want you there.
There’s a variety of reasons why they don’t, but you’re more interested in establishing goalposts and then shifting them. I’m not interested in debating people who jerk themselves off about living in an authoritarian state.
Nobody genuinely “stans” countries. People support or condemn countries, with varying shades to each.
Further, a country being Socialist does not make it a magical utopia free from flaw. The PRC is better than the US Empire, but as I already said, I don’t have the money to move and don’t have the time or drive to devote to learning Mandarin. Neither of these are bad about the PRC, they just explain why it isn’t so easy a thing to say as “just move, lol.” It also erases that I want to help participate in building Socialism in the US, not just taking the easier path of abandoning it and letting everyone else struggle for that.
Moreover, the overwhelming majority of Marxist orgs at minimum support the PRC and DPRK. “Tankie” is just a pejorative for Marxist. There isn’t much to debate with you, you haven’t made a claim so much as you have spent time hating on Marxists.
The recommendation is ‘workers of the world, unite’, not ‘workers of the world, move somewhere that’s less shitty’.
The Chinese public would be more grateful if we overthrew our ruling class rather than moved to their country, for the simple fact that capitalism is a global phenomenon that harms both the international proletariat and the people’s republics.
Absolutely, Jax’s argument is silly.
Me too.
Yeah your words are laden with the same rhetoric that the other tankies here utilize.
Again, I’m not interested in a debate with alt-MAGA. Go live there.
I’m not arguing based simply on rhetoric, but based on logic. If, say, 90% of a given group is consistent and the remaining 10% go against that consistency, when you hate on the group for the 90% but claim the 10% are fine, you need to call into question the final 10%.
You aren’t interested in debate with anyone, just shit-slinging against Marxists and trying to say fascism and communism are equivalent, in which case I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds. Further, it should be noted that liberalism and fascism aren’t really separate ideologies, but the same ideology in different circumstances, fascism in decay and liberalism in plenty. Both are supportive of Capitalism, only socialism is genuinely capable of beating fascism.