Hey m@tes, as y’all know, this instance has been anti-corporate GenAI positive since it’s creation and as such we’ve typically allowed such content to be posted freely. However in the last few weeks we’ve had a bunch of drama from GenAI haters who insist on coming into our comms and starting slap-fights. This caused us to vote on a new rule to have the mandate to clear out this constant friction. This worked to an extent, but I think we can help foster a better community with the larger threadiverse.

One issue a lot of anti-GenAI people keep bringing is that while they can block dedicated comms like [email protected], they don’t have an easy option to avoid GenAI content in random other /0 comms as there’s no way to filter it out. This kind of content has been seen to cause a lot of strife, because people complain about its existence, while /0 admins and mods based on the above rule, tend to sanction those complaining. This then causes drama loops with /c/YPTB and /c/FuckAI etc.

There is a good point to be made here that while we don’t mind GenAI content in /0, there isn’t a reason to not help others avoid it. So we want to institute the following soft rule by now:

Simply tag your posts which consist of primarily GenAI content with the [GenAI] tag in their title. Not only will frontends like Tesseract will natively parse this as a tag and display it accordingly, but people who dislike such content, can simply filter it out of their feeds. Eventually lemmy will add tags which will make this tagging more seamless, but for now a manual tag in the title will suffice.

This rule only applies to posts in non-explicit GenAI comms. The assumption is that people can simply block those comms completely anyway.

As I said, this is a soft rule for now. Soft in the sense that you’re not going to be sanctioned for forgetting it, but we hope people will remind you to do so. This is a good-faith attempt by us to co-exist and help others avoid what they don’t want to stumble onto, much like [NSFW] tags. So I hope you’ll add do a good faith attempt to help us in this.

Cheers

  • ColdSideOfYourPillow@piefed.socialEnglish
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    2 days ago

    IMO the problem is a lack of tags on Lemmy, which are often used as content warnings. With a robust tagging system, people would be able to filter out tags they dislike, such as genAI or politics.

  • naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 days ago

    People should do this for stuff they generated with llms too. Realistically English needs evidentials, like tenses that explain the source.

    Much unintentional disinformation would be cleared up if people stated the source. E.g. “I remember learning…” “Someone I trust told me…” “I heard an expert say…” “a statistical text generator emitted…” “a random internet comment said…”

  • Soapbox@lemmy.zipEnglish
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    4 days ago

    As a genAI hater, I appreciate this. I already block the dedicated communities as I see them in /all. This is helpful to filter out more of the outliers if posters cooperate and actually use the tag. (I think alot of genAI zealots get off on trying to see if people will notice their posts are AI.)

    • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      3 days ago

      I was wondering why everyone just didn’t block the communities. Maybe their Lemmy clients do not have the option. I use Eternity and it works for me.

    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      3 days ago

      genAi isn’t the problem, the zealots and fraudsters using it like that is the problem.

  • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
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    4 days ago

    Most AI image generators that generate images add EXIF metadata indicating that the image is AI-generated. This helps people who want to identify AI-generated images readily.

    In the case of ComfyUI, it even includes the entire workflow — like, another ComfyUI user can just grab the image, drop it onto their ComfyUI Web UI and they’ll be right where the generating user was.

    Unfortunately, because EXIF metadata can contain location information — some cameras and such add it — and this metadata led to people posting images at places like Reddit being doxxed after they didn’t realize that they were posting their GPS location and maybe real name, stuff that some cameras attach. As a result, a number of image-hosting places simply strip all metadata, to prevent users from from accidentally leaking this information.

    Pict-rs, the software package that Lemmy hosts run to permit image uploads, does this. Unfortunately, it means that those “this is an AI-generated image” tags get stripped off.

    So, for example, on my system, with ComfyUI, using ImageMagick:

    $ identify -verbose output/ComfyUI_00312_.png

    “Properties:prompt” has a JSON encoding of the workflow.

    Sample images generated by various AI image generators are readily-available on civitai.com.

    For this generator that generated this image on civitai, it looks like the parameter is “Properties:parameters”.

    I believe that there are a small number of such tags today.

    It would be technically possible to just not have pict-rs strip that particular tag (or tags, if there are others?) off, have a list of “AI-generated tags”, then have Lemmy add some visual indicator that an image is AI-generated. I’d suggest that this is probably a better longer-term route to indicate that an image is AI-generated than manually-tagging post titles, for a couple of reasons:

    • Spiders that index images on the Web will know that the image is AI-generated and can flag that for users and let them use that as a filtering criteria (e.g. Kagi Images permits for this). They aren’t going to understand tags in post titles, but the metadata tags are somewhat universal.

    • Doesn’t require manual effort if an image can have some indicator or flair or whatever put on it automatically. And I guarantee that some users are going to get this wrong just by accident, because different instances have different rules. Easier to change how a computer works than to change human behavior across-the-board.

    • Works on all instances.

    • The information remains attached to the image even if downloaded.

    • Works for images that aren’t just the subject of single-image posts and don’t have an associated title.

    • Speaking purely for myself, I kind of like the open-source, collaborative aspect of sharing the workflows or prompts, since it helps other users see how an image was created and learn from it; it’s something that I’m glad to see the generators include, and I’m kind of sad that we strip it off on the Threadiverse.

  • anar@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 days ago

    This is a hopefully a happy middle group that stops these stupid fights and makes people focus on bigger things.

  • pendant@sh.itjust.works
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    4 days ago

    imo you’re giving in to a loud minority that aren’t looking for reasonable solutions. They hate ai because of propaganda, and they want it gone. They’ll keep pushing for more censorship every time because the genie won’t go back in the bottle, but damned if they won’t try anyways

      • Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 days ago

        It’s doing extra work and allowing other people to dictate how we use our space, for people that are going to break the rules anyway.

        !lemmydirectory@lemmy.dbzer0.com has been running on this philosophy for ten months now. The sidebar even says:

        Our community has bots making regular posts showcasing best content from communities in given categories to help promote them. Each category is assigned to it’s own bot to allow users blocking posts from unwanted categories and tailor the feed for their preferences without the need to block the whole community. Here’s the current list of bot accounts:

        Yet look at all of Best_of_ai_bot’s posts. Immediately and heavily downvoted every time. The people doing this won’t care, and use the tags to target content.

    • Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      4 days ago

      If we operate on anecdotal rules, I am looking for reasonable solutions and would be happy with this one. If I can filter out stuff I actively dislike, I can live with other people enjoying it behind my back.

  • andybytes@programming.devEnglish
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    4 days ago

    Ai is webscraping among many other things and it is theft. It is for the lazy stupid People. It looks like shit. AI is rape. AI is anti-human. And the people that like AI love to suck billionaire cock. You could be a dumbass marketer and be proud of what you create, but you’ll never be an artist. AI is not art.