The UK’s strategic defence review plans to normalise nuclear weapons. Don’t believe the PR hype: they are immoral, irrational and catastrophic, says Guardian foreign affairs commentator Simon Tisdall
The UK is the second most brutal, bloodsoaked, disgusting, monstrous empire in human history (after the US).
Nothing that either of those countries have done is even close to the unspeakable crimes the UK has committed, or helped others commit, throughout its entire history including the present day.
If a thermonuclear device went off at 11am on a Tuesday in the centre of the City of London, a noticeable fraction of the all problems in the world would suddenly disappear.
Yes they’re civilians. Not just bankers (although I don’t think bankers deserve death just because someone on the internet doesn’t like them). There will be cleaners, bus drivers, shop workers, etc, and you want to murder them all with a nuclear bomb.
Unlike that person’s imaginary nukes, you are building real actual nukes and threatening civilians with them. And if they definitely weren’t threatening civilians they wouldn’t serve their purpose as a deterrent so there would be no point building them.
It would be great to live in a world without nukes. But as it stands, quite a few countries have nukes. If the UK gave up its nukes then Russia or China could come along and take over the UK. “Surrender or we’ll nuke you.”
Look, it’s all love. I don’t want to murder them with my nuclear bomb that I have (my possession of which must be what’s warranting this level of concern from you) I just recognize that for our species to have a future on this planet they’re all gonna need to either be put in prison until they can be taught to value human life, or else be killed.
As for the hypothetical harm to the hypothetical civilians in the hypothetical scenario where I hypothetically have a nuclear bomb, I hope you have the same level of outrage about the real civilians in Gaza that the RAF has provided over 50% of the reconnaissance overflights for, to help Israel more efficiently massacre them using drones built with UK components.
That link isn’t working for me. But in any case I can’t really change what the UK government does. I can vote but that doesn’t really make a huge difference.
I think the UK is a democracy but it’s a bit flawed (like every democracy I guess). I often think the UK would be more democratic if we had proportional representation.
Anyway the subject is just being changed, this is a tangent. My original point was that nukes could help the UK to defend itself. Perhaps Europe as a whole can have a shared nuclear capability, starting with British/French nukes.
So what you’re saying is you live in an authoritarian regime where the people’s voice isn’t heard? Interesting, I wonder if that regime would also go as far as to lie about it’s rivals.
Nah, what am I saying. The UK government would never stoke racist fears about foreigners to distract from the fact that everyone is being robbed by the rich and that people’s kids are going hungry. The little ones can grow up small and skinny, we need that money to kill slavs and Chinese people!
You’re a rube. A tool. A pawn. A patsy. A brainwashed dumbass clamoring for your own destruction and lashing out at one of the only groups of people people who even tangentially want better for you.
“Why do the people who actually know things keep shutting down my dumbshit jingoiism? Why can’t these crazy radicals just let me advocate for nuclear Armageddon in peace?”
Tell me your opinion of what’s happening in Palestine right now
Why do tankies always leap to the defence of Russia and China? Really odd.
The UK is the second most brutal, bloodsoaked, disgusting, monstrous empire in human history (after the US).
Nothing that either of those countries have done is even close to the unspeakable crimes the UK has committed, or helped others commit, throughout its entire history including the present day.
If a thermonuclear device went off at 11am on a Tuesday in the centre of the City of London, a noticeable fraction of the all problems in the world would suddenly disappear.
Yeah, you’re definitely on the moral side of the argument when you fantasise about murdering civilians with a nuclear bomb.
Also ‘civilians’ lmao the denizens of London’s financial district are among the vilest ghouls to ever walk the Earth
Yes they’re civilians. Not just bankers (although I don’t think bankers deserve death just because someone on the internet doesn’t like them). There will be cleaners, bus drivers, shop workers, etc, and you want to murder them all with a nuclear bomb.
Unlike that person’s imaginary nukes, you are building real actual nukes and threatening civilians with them. And if they definitely weren’t threatening civilians they wouldn’t serve their purpose as a deterrent so there would be no point building them.
It would be great to live in a world without nukes. But as it stands, quite a few countries have nukes. If the UK gave up its nukes then Russia or China could come along and take over the UK. “Surrender or we’ll nuke you.”
Look, it’s all love. I don’t want to murder them with my nuclear bomb that I have (my possession of which must be what’s warranting this level of concern from you) I just recognize that for our species to have a future on this planet they’re all gonna need to either be put in prison until they can be taught to value human life, or else be killed.
As for the hypothetical harm to the hypothetical civilians in the hypothetical scenario where I hypothetically have a nuclear bomb, I hope you have the same level of outrage about the real civilians in Gaza that the RAF has provided over 50% of the reconnaissance overflights for, to help Israel more efficiently massacre them using drones built with UK components.
Whereas you ARE on the moral side of the argument because your government’s elite death squads actually do murder civilians
That link isn’t working for me. But in any case I can’t really change what the UK government does. I can vote but that doesn’t really make a huge difference.
At least you get that you don’t live in a democracy, just a dictatorship of capitalists with some occasional political pageantry.
I think the UK is a democracy but it’s a bit flawed (like every democracy I guess). I often think the UK would be more democratic if we had proportional representation.
Anyway the subject is just being changed, this is a tangent. My original point was that nukes could help the UK to defend itself. Perhaps Europe as a whole can have a shared nuclear capability, starting with British/French nukes.
So what you’re saying is you live in an authoritarian regime where the people’s voice isn’t heard? Interesting, I wonder if that regime would also go as far as to lie about it’s rivals.
Nah, what am I saying. The UK government would never stoke racist fears about foreigners to distract from the fact that everyone is being robbed by the rich and that people’s kids are going hungry. The little ones can grow up small and skinny, we need that money to kill slavs and Chinese people!
You’re a rube. A tool. A pawn. A patsy. A brainwashed dumbass clamoring for your own destruction and lashing out at one of the only groups of people people who even tangentially want better for you.
Link works fine for me
I can’t see your post because it was removed by a mod.
Why are you so upset about my posts?
“Why do the people who actually know things keep shutting down my dumbshit jingoiism? Why can’t these crazy radicals just let me advocate for nuclear Armageddon in peace?”
Tell me your opinion of what’s happening in Palestine right now
My opinion is that you’re a dumb fuck