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A lot of people dont seem to realize, a road is living infrastructure. It needs to be maintained in order to stay usable. You dont build a road and it just stays there forever. Its a service, not a one time purchase. Modern societies rely on this service to keep them running. Its not freedom to go anywhere without big government dictating where you can go. Its a specific, constantly updating and repairing living network - all controlled by the government.
Train tracks are the same, they just fill a more specific role. And AFAIK, here at least, if you buy a train, you can ride the rails too. A transportation engineer told me once, if more people bought trains, the government would be forced to lay down more track. Its a funny thought but in that sense, roads and train tracks both ultimately serve the people.
how much tax is there on train ownership overthere?
Two hours, one-way to work is patriotic! What’s good for the oil industry is good for Murka. Besides, Frank Freeway has to show his manhood by driving a giant truck that he doesn’t need.
Ah, but you see, drivers have the freedom to go the direction they want at any time! Like turning onto an on-ramp. Or off at an off-ramp. Then you can turn at designated intersections at specific times, as long as you are not impeded by one-way, no left turn, no u-turn, etc. Then you can park your car wherever you want, as long as there are places to park your car close enough to your destination, and as long as you pay any fees for parking in high-demand areas or get permission to park there.
As opposed to trains and buses where you can only get on at a specific place… or off at a specific place. Then you can only walk in literally any direction, provided you are not impeded by the flow of cars.
Where’s the freedom in that?
Saw a TikTok on the Saturn ad that posed how inefficient car transport is when scaled with large populations. Basically, if you remove the body of the car and have people walk on those same roads, they are just taking up so much space. Traffic is horrible even though there is plenty of space between people. The comments section lacks media literacy in the most basic sense. Either they were willfully ignorant, or just outright stupid.
All the comments were like “doesn’t this prove cars are the most efficient form of transport?”
Americans truly need to visit Tokyo, or really any city outside the US that HAS ACTUAL PUBLIC TRANSPORT INFRASTRUCTURE.
I live in Houston, the worst possible car centric nightmare and I get nearly killed every other day. It’s gotten to the point where you don’t even flinch when someone almost rams you in a head on because these near misses happen all the time.
I am so fucking sick of cars.
sounds like large populations are the problem for cars, not cars being inherently a problem.
I like to model my problem solving with human needs as the goals and machines as tools to achieve that. The inverse you propose sounds awful
I don’t know if you realize that you live in a society of humans, nor cars
“It is impossible to fix that” ~citizens of the only country where it happens
Classic
Do you love cars more than people or something?
one trys to criminalize my friends, the other provides a more reliable form of transportation to the big airport than the smaller airlines and results in fewer deaths than firearms in my country.
…criminalize your friends? That’s such a funny victim complex thing to say. Buddy I drive a fucking sportscar(when I drive at all) and I don’t ever feel “criminalized”, even when the local main street becomes pedestrian in the summer(it should be year-round). There are some places that have banned certain types of cars from their downtown cores but for the most part no one is criminalizing cars. What they are doing is pointing out how every single piece of evidence ever gathered reinforces that robust public transit is the best way in urban or semi-urban environments and that even rural communities could be tighter and more walkable.
Also if cars are resulting in fewer deaths than firearms I’m shocked about how bad the firearm problem must be where you’re from(or wondering how many people actually have access to cars).
'murican republican party is trying to criminalize immigrants, LGBT youth, and pro palatinian speech; I have yet to see a car discriminate who it maimes or kills. IIRC there are plans for California to make new ICE cars illegal in 2035. and yes the us does have a bit of a gun problem.
What the fuck are you talking about? This is community aimed at improving public transit infrastructure and getting cities, especially North American ones, off of car dependency. Your comments are written like you’re trying to fight against what this community(and all the science) says and are now going off about entirely unrelated things without really explaining, in any sort of detail, this tenuous link your mind has created. You even said that cars provide a better transportation service to airports than small airlines do(???) and that’s just completely off the rails to the point I can’t even guess at what you might mean with any level of confidence.
I’d love to figure out what the fuck is going on with you and this seemingly backwards, condtradictory opinion, so next time you reply can you just start over from the top and please take your time, there’s no rush.
False comparison, terrible argument. People also legalise cars and build roads. Try again: why would you prefer fewer people to fewer cars?
people destroy the environment, cars need people to cause significant environmental harm. If you just reduce the commonality (people) there will be less environmental harm, fewer deaths, and fewer cities pushing their employment heavy ideals on the rest of the country.
Reducing the population won’t lead to fewer deaths. The very act of doing so would itself be death on an untold scale.
Great take, we should take all the humans out of cities to make them even more car-friendly!
It worked for Radiator Springs!
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My car won’t ever drive off without me.
But even if it did, your car will never have an identical twin show up 10 minutes after, going the same way
Ten minutes?! Ha!
Where I live it’s every half hour, tops, and it takes ten times as long as driving and I have to walk next to a stroad the whole way.
But the real reason this was my first thought is I was run over by a school bus I was running to catch in kindergarten and now any form of scheduled transportation fills me with anxiety.
Man, sounds like you need better public transport
So you have a deeply specific personal issue that you’re desperate to make everyone else’s problem? Also buddy you don’t want to look up car death and injury statistics is safety is your concern.
I’m not making you not take public transit. I’m just going to be panicked the whole time.
I’d honestly rather walk 20 miles than take a bus, or drive a thousand miles than take a plane.
Ok, then what was your comment for?
Then it should be every ten minutes instead of half hour…
Idk what to tell you, man, but “my local public transport isn’t effective” is an argument against ineffective public transport, not an argument against the general concept
Right but even if it was effective I won’t like it. Because I’d be ten minutes late everywhere from missing my train or an hour early because I didn’t want to miss my train and avoid delays and cancellations.
“Even if it was effective, I might use it wrongly, or it might secretly be ineffective.”
Listen to yourself.
You’re right, my preference doesn’t matter
Please forgive my individuality, everyone should be like you.
Usernamedisplay name checks outThis comment is gonna be so funny in ten years or less
I have a ten year old car and will be keeping it another ten years. It can’t even shift without my help.
And the whining when motorists actually have to pay for some of the roads they use is unreal: https://youtube.com/watch?v=I02i-ddf4Ro
Watched the intro, I imagine the rest, if your comment offers related context, is motorists getting mad about being essentially directly taxed?
“Why should I pay for trains I don’t use?!”
“Why should I pay for roads in your car-only neighbourhoods that I don’t use? Also the trains get more cars off the road and lessen traffic for those who actually do need to drive so it is helpful to you.”
“Stop I wanna be mad at public transit!”
I’ll say it.
My city life would be better if everyone else took trains and busses, but I still get to drive my car everywhere.
You write that like you’re being brave for saying one of the lamest, most self-centred take possible in such a short sentence.
The government should just call them freedom roads and say letting people use it for free would be socialism
I’ve known libertarians who were in favor of privatizing the infrastructure. They may get their wish.
It always comes down to the Austrian School. One of the worst things ever.
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I was looking for this. This meme is not the own the author thinks it is. The people who follow this absolutely want to privatize that government road.
Reminds me of an article I read today: On german Autobahn there are cool signs here and there about the region e.g. beautiful landmarks. These signs used to cost 3000-4000€, but since Andreas Scheuer (think about him like a bitch for corporations) privatized the facility responsible for them, the cost has risen to 70000€ per sign and know it seems like they are getting abandoned.
