How did we stop Nazis in the past? Was it… kindness? Memes? Or violence?
I’m not sure what’s that you’re trying to say OP.
Violence against the IDF is very different from violence against Rabbi Moe down the street. Maybe Rabbi Moe is a rabid zionist, maybe when he’s done with shabbat he spends Sundays protesting against Israel. Violence against him as a jew is antisemitism and unacceptable, while violence against him as a supporter of the idf would just be bad optics.
Was it fighting random germans, or fighting the actual nazis? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
There was literally no random Germans.
If you read memoirs from that time, or survivors letters, they always talk about Nazis being the milkman, the cobbler, the shopkeeper, the neighbour, and not Gebels or Hitler.
hi spujb did u know the jews invented hash browns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latke
yes! shoutout jewish ppl
Why is there a specific word for people who criticize Jewish people but not any other words for other ethnicities/backgrounds?
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- islamophobia (islam)
- arabphobia (arab)
- hinduphobia (hinduism)
- sinophobia (chinese/asian)
- russophobia (russian)
- christophobia (christianity)
- romaphobia (romani)
- afro-phobia aka anti-black racism (african or black)
- kurdophobia aka anti-kurdish sentiment
- armeniophobia aka anti-armenianism
if this is your first time hearing about these things i guess congrats on the blissful ignorance but it’s time to do some reading if you want to make commentary bud
No one uses those specific words though.
ok kid
Antisemitism will truly be defeated when Jews can live anywhere in the world without fear of persecution, not when they’ve carved out their own ethnostate.
Unfortunately, I feel like these times call for explicit clarification in what should be obvious.
“…when Jews can live anywhere in the world without fear of persecution… for being Jewish” (but like everyone else can be held accountable as individuals for crimes including war crimes; that being Jewish doesn’t turn prosecution into persecution)
The fact that this needs clarification is evidence that we do not deserve a future as a species.
JFC are we fucking idiots that this needs to be spelled the fuck out.
Valid distinction thanks to Israel.
People using the term anti semitic often fail to realize that the semitic people and culture not only contains Jews, but also levantine Arabs.
More importantly, it’s used inappropriately when talking about violence towards/hatred of the vaaaaaaaast majority of Israelis because they’re Europeans…
The people that should be hearing this won’t accept it as truth. They actively deny the Eastern European heritage of ashkenazi Jews.
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Are you alright? You can definitely say they’re African (or anything more precise like “West African” or “from the Horn of Africa”) by ethnicity, they’re just American by nationality. What else would you say? The white folks in America are European by ethnicity (mostly Germanic) and American by nationality, and their nationality didn’t just randomly turn them Native American, lol. Hopefully you were just being silly and not willfully spreading confusion…
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No, friend. I meant: these European folks may or may not be “real Jews”, but they were never Semitic.
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however, the name Semitic is a nazi invention that was originally directed towards Jews. part of their scientific racism.
it’s kind of meaningless.
like Dwight claiming an Indian coworkers is Caucasian because he claims her people came from the Caucasus.
but yhea, if we step out of semantics, fuck Israel for this genocide and using the Jewish diaspora as shields.
^^^Yes, more people need to know about this because it’s a meaningless “gotcha”
however, I’ll prefer if we included all Semitic people in the term.
because in a way, they are all related people.
Palestinians are ancestors of the ancient Canaanites just like jews are (if we ignore a lot of mixing with other genepools).
Third truth, it’s not just Israeli leaders who are promoting the violence against Palestine, and those that do use their Judaism as a shield against criticism.
fourth truth, more White American Protestants defend the genocide than there a Jewish people in America so you gotta be careful
The fuck I do! Supporters of the genocide deserve to be called out no matter their religion, but it also needs to be called out when people support the genocide and utilize the charge of anti-semitism to justify it.
At this rate, “anti-semitism” is starting to mean anti-genocide.
Anyone who doesn’t believe in a two-state solution is a terrorist to me.
that was a general “you gotta be careful” and i didn’t mean you specifically XD
…until you went and composed that thoroughly self embarrassing message. now i mean it. be careful, you’re treading strange waters that are going nowhere.
Perhaps this is a case where we’re misunderstanding each other (no doubt more so in my case.) I must be missing something because I don’t find the intent behind my response to be embarrassing, but I am open to the fact that it reads differently than I intended.
What I reject is that I need to be afraid of speaking up against Israel (or to the Zionists abroad) or to be afraid of the “anti-Semitic” label. To your point, there are reasons to be afraid, to be careful. But to me we must speak the truth despite those reasons. Part of that truth is undoubtedly that the Israeli government is empowered by the Christians in the US and in turn the US government.
I am NOT anti-Semitic, but I’m confident in my belief that calling out ANYONE (regardless of their religion) for their support of the Palestinian genocide is the right thing. If someone is to label that anti-Semitic I believe they are weaponizing that term.
May I ask pointedly, what specifically are you saying to be careful of?
again, that was a very general statement. we gotta be careful. like, “rule of thumb: a genocide merits care.” as in, “taking care of what you do and say is a good thing.” or “based on previous statements, we can conclude that the future needs are not given, but rather chosen with care and planning.”
there was no specificity in my statement whatsoever so yeah i guess if you were finding some that was a misreading on your part and i apologize. hope this clarifies.
that said i do stand by that, even given a misunderstanding, your escalation to “at this point anti-semitism is starting to mean anti-genocide” was purposeless and without evidence. if i am reading you right we have a lot in common and it’s not helpful to open messages with “the fuck i do.”
You are wrong. ‘We have to take care when it comes to genocide’. No you don’t. You have a right to be angry and a right to shout about it. You are engaging in genocidal apologism.
To tolerate intolerance creates an intolerant society. To tolerate genocide is fucking disgusting.
oh no another (intentional this time) misreading XD imagine unironically claiming that “take care” means the same thing as full-on apologia.
you’ll want to pick up a dictionary because you my friend have lost more than the plot.
When you referred to people who practice Judaism as a shield to criticism your make a very general statement against Jewish people, not all Jewish people support Israel genocide, which is what netanyahu is using as a distraction to stay out of jail. Usually when someone says they “are not this or that” it means you are what you said you aren’t.
woosh - I wonder what brought you into this thread…
Do go on. What brought me?
I’m so tired of being trapped in the middle of this psychotic Jewish psychodrama. Can we just agree to stop killing, starving, orphaning and mutilating kids?
US religious fanatics say no. Sorry.
best we can do is arrest and brutalize college kids while appointing real antisemites to high places in the white house apparently
Germany’s government is also one million percent behind the gaza genocide.
Which is wholly ironic when you think about it. Jesus was born in Bethlehem, which is modern day Palestine. Israel is basically spawn camping the second-coming.
You’re actually hitting on something significant: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism
Some Christian Zionists interpret the prophetic texts as describing inevitable future events, and these events primarily involve Israel (taken to mean the descendants of the Biblical patriarch Jacob) or Judah (taken to mean the remaining faithful adherents of Judaism). These prophecies are seen as requiring the presence of a Jewish state in the Holy Land, the central part of the lands promised to the Biblical patriarch Abraham in the Covenant of the pieces. This requirement is sometimes interpreted as being fulfilled by the contemporary state of Israel.
Not “spawn camping” but there is a very real belief in some sects of Christianity that the Zionist project is necessary for prophecy fulfillment.
Interesting. That’s a new one to me. There are so many different interpretations and predictions through 3x translated holy books.
There are also those antisemitic Mel Gibson Christians who believe Jesus won’t return as long as non-believers reside in the holy land.
That’s not ironic, it’s intentional.
It would seem that most of the world’s leaders are super into that, actually.
Those are both true. Respond to that lie by criticizing the Israeli leaders that are propagating it.
There are more Jews outside of Israel than within. My family emigrated to the US from Poland to flee persecution by the Bolsheviks prior to the founding of the state of Israel. I’ve protested with JVP against the Palestinian genocide in Grand Central. My story is not unique.
Also not mentioned too much is how Egypt and the other Muslim nations refuse to help or take people in from Gaza.
People in Egypt are dirt poor and can hardly stay afloat themselves. Why expect them to take the burden for a crisis that they didn’t cause and don’t support? (Is Egypt corrupt as fuck and is are the people running the state rich as fuck? – yes.)
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What about all the Jewish people in Israel and around the world actively contributing to, relishing in, and celebrating what’s happening? Can we talk about them?
What about all the non-Jewish people in Israel and around the world actively contribution to, relishing in, and celebrating what’s happening? Can we talk about them?
What about all the Jewish people in Israel and around the world actively protesting against, writing against, and decrying what’s happening? Can we talk about them?
There’s idiots and great people in all ethnicities, and not understanding that fact is being incredibly simple-minded.
Another truth that must be addressed is that most Jewish people either actively or passively support the genocide of Palestinians. Therefore we need people like me within Judaism to call it out and people outside of Judaism to agree it’s a problem.
This certainly appear to be true.
My government, and Israel, have made it clear that my opposition to the genocide in Gaza makes me a antisemite. I have maybe only once read of a Jewish person or group opposing this view.
So be it, I know which side of history I want to tell my young nieces and nephews I was on, so I have no problem whatsoever with any of legal issues this might cause me.
Of course, the price for Israel (and silent Jewish people) making the judgement that I and most socially liberal people are antisemites, is Jewish people are on their own, other than the far right/nazi aligned groups who support their actions in Gaza.
Code Pink, Jewish voice for peace, Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé, Noam Chomsky, Judith Butler. These are some of the Jewish folks opposing settler colonial Zionism. There is a strong Jewish tradition of being on the right side of history. Sure, Judaism is not a monolith, and sure, maybe (and this is a really big fat maybe, and I’d love to see actual data either supporting or refuting this, which is conspicuously absent from this discussion) the majority of Jews support Israel’s actions, but there is a sizable portion of Jews worldwide that oppose settler colonialism, and and even larger portion that opposes the ongoing genocide.
most Jewish people
Whether or not that’s true, I don’t think it’s the sort of claim that should be made without supporting evidence. Bear in mind that the Zionist lobby is powerful, vocal and ruthless, many people may be afraid to speak out against it. If a group can be made to feel like they are the minority, it can seem as if they really are.
I dont think there are any trustworthy statistics so ill be honest, I mostly went off my personal experience as a Jewish person and having interacted with my community extensively
I mean it is a true statistic.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/
Support for the IDF among American and Israeli Jewish people alone accounts for more than half of the worldwide Jewish population. It’s not antisemitic to point out that most Jewish people worldwide support the genocide.
What is antisemitic is to dislike Jewish people in general because of it.
Just to clearify, I am Jewish. When I point out that most Jews are Zionist im making my frustration about my people clear.
Better watch out. Lemmy will ban you for saying a majority of the Jewish population. Support a genocide because they are blood thirsty. Just be careful. Zionists control the subs and site.
Ok fed
“Lemmy” doesn’t ban people, but certain instances might.
aka, if I get banned from Lemmy.world, I am not banned from Lemmy, just from lemmy.world.
The mods and admins here arent zionists, they’re zionist sympathizers and genocide apologists
You’re thinking of Reddit, I was banned for saying “Israel murders children” on three accounts, after the third they had enough of my non genocidal talks and perm banned me.
My first lemmy acct was banned yesterday for saying just this. I was on Lemmy.Futurology. Glad I made a back up on Lemmy.World.
I a man with genetics of Jewish heritage. From what the 23andMe said. Was called a Nazi because I used Jewish instead of Zionist when saying. Zionists are blood thirsty. I learned my lesson. Just blame the Zionists. Because you can’t hold entire groups responsible. Even though a vast majority of them support this genocide. And I have met Americans who had signed up with the IDF to fight in this genocide. It’s all a cycle of violence that no one is willing to end.
??? yeah yikes wow definitely don’t say that that’s so bad bro
Conspiracy much?
i poked through their recent comments and a lot of them are like this. i find it suspicious that they commit the cardinal mistake of saying “lemmy” rather than “.world” or something.
zero trust in this kind of posting lol. these are serious accusations and should be leveled seriously, not a bazillion times responding to rando comments.
A recent account at that. Possibly part of the last Reddit wave, not yet aware of the cultural differences here.
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I wouldn’t say israeli leaders are antisemitic, but they accuse their critics of antisemitism to pursue their authoritarian and colonial agenda with impunity.
I vote for the wise frog.
amen bruv
No, the only solution clearly is to light up the gas chambers again.
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Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
I hate that these cunts are starving children supposedly in my name. Fucking diabolical.
wdym by in ur name?
in the name of the Jewish identity
