The password managers are: KeepassDX (Far Left), KeepassXC (PC version of local), Proton Pass (Better privacy) and Bitwarden (Far Right). Please note that bitwarden does some data collection. See their privacy policy here and their privacy spy rating here.

  • Jakob Fel@retrolemmy.com
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    8 days ago

    It’s not just a matter of memory. While our brains might be able to come up with one or two strong passwords/phrases on their own, there’s too much room for predictability and when that happens, you’d be no better off than if you used the same password for everything.

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      There really isn’t too much room for predictability. I guess you just don’t know how to make a strong password on your own, and that’s fair. But please don’t try to tell people that it can’t be done, since it’s been done for decades.

      And unlike password managers, this system can’t be hacked - or corrupted, so people will stand there without their passwords to a 100 apps and homepages…

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        8 days ago

        Good luck making passwords that are both memorable AND resistant to even basic brute force attacks. Only way that happens is through completely random generation via a password manager.

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          That’s not true, but you are free to believe that. So go use your password manager, which can be hacked, and then you all of your passwords are known.

          I don’t mind people using their password managers. But I can see that some people really can’t handle, that I have a better system. Maybe because they feel a bit stupid right now - or something - who knows?

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            8 days ago

            Considering the fact that virtually every expert in cybersecurity and cryptography agrees that you need a password manager, it definitely is true. Your issue is that you think you know better than everybody else… Let’s just hope your arrogance doesn’t cost you your accounts because then you’ll be getting a whole lot of “I told you so” from most folks.

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              Good to hear that every expert elected you to be their spokesperson. Trying to borrow ethos from other experts is just sad. But do you know why they will often say that? Because they know that a lot of people otherwise would use 1234 or abcd… So that’s the easy advice. The good advice would be to teach people to make a strong and memorable password.

              Well, what might your arrogance cost you, since you are sitting here, trying to pass yourself of as spokesperson for **EVERY **expert in cybersecurity?

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                I’m just speaking common sense here, dude. It’s common sense, and if you do any ounce of research, you’ll see the exact same thing that I’m saying.

                Coming up with a solid and strong master password is one thing. But trying to come up with some variations of a master password that you use across all your different sites is inevitably going to result in predictability and predictability is poor security.

                Again, common sense info that you’ll find if you do any ounce of research, but it’s obvious that you have neither done your research nor do you want to do your research. You just want to sound like you’re smarter than everybody.

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                  It’s not common sense, unless you are already determined, that you have made a flaw from the beginning. Predictability is ONLY possible, if you know the way the password combinations was made, or if you have enough (at least 5-10) different passwords, from the same person, and could figure out their system - which is hard, even at that point.

                  Thanks for advising me to do some research. How about you point me to what you are talking about, or else I could just say, that you should go do some research that proves I’m right. See… that’s meaningless. I am smarter than you - MR. I try to demean people I talk to, because I’m the smartest…