This is the photo in question. You can clearly see it has been annotated with the text MS13.
The problem, however, is twofold:
Trump has said on multiple occasions now that it depicts the literal text “MS13” tattooed on the individual, despite it clearly being superimposed for the sole purposes of annotation. This is an example of POTUS not being able to either admit when he’s wrong or ascertain the difference between reality and his desires.
The symbols annotated don’t have any correlation with MS13. If the administration is seriously considering smiles and crosses as evidence for gang activity then a whole fucktonne of Christians are about to be deported.
So what does an actual MS13 tattoo look like?
Prominent and obvious, not this small, subtle, common, symbolic tattoos.
None of that compares to the fact that Trump has denied this person’s Constitutionally granted rights and installed himself as judge, jury, and executioner.
“According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term may come from the Nahuatl mallihuan, meaning “prisoner”.[12] Author Martin Booth notes that this etymology was popularized by Harry J. Anslinger in the 1930s, during his campaigns against the drug.[14] However, linguist Jason D. Haugen finds no semantic basis for a connection to mallihuan, suggesting that the phonetic similarity may be “a case of accidental homophony”.[15]: 94 Cannabis is not known to have been present in the Americas before Spanish contact, making an indigenous word an unlikely source.”
You’re saying a guy named Harry Anslinger popularized a Spanish slang word in the 1930s from a Nahuatl word, while campaigning against Cannabis, and you’re arguing this makes the word of Spanish language origin?
The etymology that was in question there in your excerpt was that it came from indigenous word Nahautl mallihuan. But the only suggestion of this is from a biased source. In other words it is unlikely that the word predates Spanish in Mexico. I didn’t claim that. I said that the word comes from Mexican Spanish.
If you kept reading, you would see:
The word “marijuana” as we know it today did not appear until 1846 in Farmacopea Mexicana, though it was spelled “mariguana”. In most following instances, the word was spelled marihuana.[21][22]
Also, btw, I’m not arguing in favor of the supposed translation, I’m just not pretending that Spanish speakers don’t call it Marijuana when the word is originally Spanish and they definitely still do call it that. Name me a word in English that isn’t borrowed from Spanish that has a J that sounds like an H. Jalapeño, Mojito, Jicama… all Spanish words originally. Same with Marijuana.
“Numerous accounts say that “marijuana” came into popular usage in the U.S. in the early 20th century because anti-cannabis factions wanted to underscore the drug’s “Mexican-ness.” It was meant to play off of anti-immigrant sentiments.”
Okay, so it clearly looks annotated to me. So it wasn’t that the people criticizing the photo were saying that the MS13 itself was written on his hand … it was more of the fact that he’s superimposing meaning onto his hand tattoos and claiming it means something else. Sorta like his hurricane path.
See, this is the thing. I don’t check into each of these stories because there’s a lot of garbage. Then I’m watching some news coverage and then some right-wing guy comes on and gives it some “spin” and I’m like, “wait … do they have a point?”. Urgh.
None of that compares to the fact that Trump has denied this person’s Constitutionally granted rights and installed himself as judge, jury, and executioner.
I no longer give them any benefit of a doubt when it comes to “do they have a point”, that has long been gone with all of the lies. I know this for certain, someone who lies habitually will continue to lie. Its like crack to them, they just can’t stop.
And the only point I see is to be in power, which they don’t deserve IMO.
YMMV, good luck trying to work out what is true and what’s not
So it wasn’t that the people criticizing the photo were saying that the MS13 itself was written on his hand
Trump himself refused to acknowledge that it was shopped, insisting that was literally written on his hand. His sycophants may being trying to run defence, but the President of the United States refused to acknowledge objective, provable reality.
Then I’m watching some news coverage and then some right-wing guy comes on and gives it some “spin” and I’m like, “wait … do they have a point?”. Urgh.
That’s what right wing media does. They spin facts in such a way that there’s a compelling narrative, but only if you’re willfully ignorant, know nothing about it and don’t bother to look into it. They specifically rely on ignorance of their viewers, and to a lesser extent, the lack of short term memory or being able to follow shifting narratives in reporting. It’s why you can see militant “anti-government” people like Jones who now actively cheers on the exact shit he decried a decade ago.
This is the photo in question. You can clearly see it has been annotated with the text MS13.
The problem, however, is twofold:
So what does an actual MS13 tattoo look like?
Prominent and obvious, not this small, subtle, common, symbolic tattoos.
None of that compares to the fact that Trump has denied this person’s Constitutionally granted rights and installed himself as judge, jury, and executioner.
Also marijuana wouldn’t be a word they use, and they speak Spanish so why would they be coding meanings in English?
Marijuana is a Spanish word though. WTH are you guys talking about?
From your source, wikipedia:
“According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term may come from the Nahuatl mallihuan, meaning “prisoner”.[12] Author Martin Booth notes that this etymology was popularized by Harry J. Anslinger in the 1930s, during his campaigns against the drug.[14] However, linguist Jason D. Haugen finds no semantic basis for a connection to mallihuan, suggesting that the phonetic similarity may be “a case of accidental homophony”.[15]: 94 Cannabis is not known to have been present in the Americas before Spanish contact, making an indigenous word an unlikely source.”
You’re saying a guy named Harry Anslinger popularized a Spanish slang word in the 1930s from a Nahuatl word, while campaigning against Cannabis, and you’re arguing this makes the word of Spanish language origin?
And the S in skull would be a C for cráneo
The etymology that was in question there in your excerpt was that it came from indigenous word Nahautl mallihuan. But the only suggestion of this is from a biased source. In other words it is unlikely that the word predates Spanish in Mexico. I didn’t claim that. I said that the word comes from Mexican Spanish.
If you kept reading, you would see:
Also, btw, I’m not arguing in favor of the supposed translation, I’m just not pretending that Spanish speakers don’t call it Marijuana when the word is originally Spanish and they definitely still do call it that. Name me a word in English that isn’t borrowed from Spanish that has a J that sounds like an H. Jalapeño, Mojito, Jicama… all Spanish words originally. Same with Marijuana.
I’m curious, what is the Spanish word for Marijuana???
Guys… marijuana is a spanish word.
It’s Canabis with one n.
Also it’s Cannabis in English.
“Numerous accounts say that “marijuana” came into popular usage in the U.S. in the early 20th century because anti-cannabis factions wanted to underscore the drug’s “Mexican-ness.” It was meant to play off of anti-immigrant sentiments.”
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/07/14/201981025/the-mysterious-history-of-marijuana
Okay, so it clearly looks annotated to me. So it wasn’t that the people criticizing the photo were saying that the MS13 itself was written on his hand … it was more of the fact that he’s superimposing meaning onto his hand tattoos and claiming it means something else. Sorta like his hurricane path.
See, this is the thing. I don’t check into each of these stories because there’s a lot of garbage. Then I’m watching some news coverage and then some right-wing guy comes on and gives it some “spin” and I’m like, “wait … do they have a point?”. Urgh.
I couldn’t agree more.
I no longer give them any benefit of a doubt when it comes to “do they have a point”, that has long been gone with all of the lies. I know this for certain, someone who lies habitually will continue to lie. Its like crack to them, they just can’t stop. And the only point I see is to be in power, which they don’t deserve IMO. YMMV, good luck trying to work out what is true and what’s not
A key point to make here
Trump himself refused to acknowledge that it was shopped, insisting that was literally written on his hand. His sycophants may being trying to run defence, but the President of the United States refused to acknowledge objective, provable reality.
Video interview of Trump denying reality.
And here’s the guy’s actual hand:
That’s what right wing media does. They spin facts in such a way that there’s a compelling narrative, but only if you’re willfully ignorant, know nothing about it and don’t bother to look into it. They specifically rely on ignorance of their viewers, and to a lesser extent, the lack of short term memory or being able to follow shifting narratives in reporting. It’s why you can see militant “anti-government” people like Jones who now actively cheers on the exact shit he decried a decade ago.
Trump claimed in an interview that the tattoo literally says MS 13 and is not superimposed. Here’s an excerpt from that interview:
https://youtu.be/W5r_ehoxTag
Urgh … I HATE TRUMP
He’s so rude (and I get it, it’s an intentional power play): “I’ve never heard of you”, “you’re not very nice”