Yess PP lost the run for PM and humiliatingly lost his riding, but overall the party grew in influence and in number of seats tremendously under his leadership.
I agree the Conservatives have grown in influence but I don’t believe it was because of Poilievre. It doesn’t matter who leads the conservative party, the Canadian pendulum was due to swing back to the Cons, he dropped the ball hard, and probably still would have won if it wasn’t for Trump slapping Canada in the face and waking a bunch of us up. Any influence gained was because it was “their turn”, not Poilievre’s leadership.
The question is, did the Conservatives come close to winning because of Poilievre, or did they lose a sure thing because of him? Based on what things looked like 6 months ago, I’d say the latter.
the Canadian pendulum was due to swing back to the Cons
Sure, for the opposition leader it’s a matter of adding or removing momentum to the pendulum swing. He definitely added a lot of momentum, to the point that the Liberals had to throw the PM and its climate policy under the bus to get one more term. That’s a hell of an effective opposition leader.
Any influence gained was because it was “their turn”, not Poilievre’s leadership.
I’m not saying that he’s a genius or anything, but making good use of your “turn” is not an easy task. He has demonstrated that he’s good at it, to the point of landslide victory projections 6 months ago.
would have won if it wasn’t for Trump slapping Canada in the face
And that’s exactly why it’s going to be easy to brush off his loss. Sure, he’ll face criticism on his failure to pivot the party messaging post-Trudeau, but that was a nearly impossible situation. Would any other CPC MP have done a better job of riling up the conservatives against the Liberals without in the end get blindsided by anti-republican sentiments? Jamil Jivani? I don’t see any reason to believe the CPC will have a better shot with someone else.
If they do end up booting Poilievre out of the leader seat, it will be because the CPC is a bucket of selfish snakes and lizards vying for power. It is possible. Surely someone is salivating at this opportunity. I just find it unlikely, because the vast majority of MPs are satisfied with his work and will simply bide their time, they’ll be better prepared in two years.
Look at the polling. When asked which party people preferred (ignoring leadership) the CPC had way more support than when leadership is considered.
Did you notice the CPC ads in the last week and a half didn’t have PP in them? It’s obvious to everyone (including CPC strategists) that PP drug down the CPC. If the CPC didn’t even have a leader, they would’ve won. But PP led them to defeat.
But I’m not a Conservative, so if half of the CPC wants to remain faithful to PP, I’ll get out my popcorn and enjoy the CPC civil war that’ll happen if PP refuses to step aside.
I agree the Conservatives have grown in influence but I don’t believe it was because of Poilievre. It doesn’t matter who leads the conservative party, the Canadian pendulum was due to swing back to the Cons, he dropped the ball hard, and probably still would have won if it wasn’t for Trump slapping Canada in the face and waking a bunch of us up. Any influence gained was because it was “their turn”, not Poilievre’s leadership.
The question is, did the Conservatives come close to winning because of Poilievre, or did they lose a sure thing because of him? Based on what things looked like 6 months ago, I’d say the latter.
Yeah, I don’t think people wanted Poilievre specifically. They just wanted change.
Sure, for the opposition leader it’s a matter of adding or removing momentum to the pendulum swing. He definitely added a lot of momentum, to the point that the Liberals had to throw the PM and its climate policy under the bus to get one more term. That’s a hell of an effective opposition leader.
I’m not saying that he’s a genius or anything, but making good use of your “turn” is not an easy task. He has demonstrated that he’s good at it, to the point of landslide victory projections 6 months ago.
And that’s exactly why it’s going to be easy to brush off his loss. Sure, he’ll face criticism on his failure to pivot the party messaging post-Trudeau, but that was a nearly impossible situation. Would any other CPC MP have done a better job of riling up the conservatives against the Liberals without in the end get blindsided by anti-republican sentiments? Jamil Jivani? I don’t see any reason to believe the CPC will have a better shot with someone else.
If they do end up booting Poilievre out of the leader seat, it will be because the CPC is a bucket of selfish snakes and lizards vying for power. It is possible. Surely someone is salivating at this opportunity. I just find it unlikely, because the vast majority of MPs are satisfied with his work and will simply bide their time, they’ll be better prepared in two years.
Look at the polling. When asked which party people preferred (ignoring leadership) the CPC had way more support than when leadership is considered.
Did you notice the CPC ads in the last week and a half didn’t have PP in them? It’s obvious to everyone (including CPC strategists) that PP drug down the CPC. If the CPC didn’t even have a leader, they would’ve won. But PP led them to defeat.
But I’m not a Conservative, so if half of the CPC wants to remain faithful to PP, I’ll get out my popcorn and enjoy the CPC civil war that’ll happen if PP refuses to step aside.