A pit bull will guard you with its life. Not only will it, it can.
Other types are:
Herding Dogs
Sporting Dogs
Hound Dogs
Working Dogs
Terrier Dogs
Toy Dogs
Non-Sporting Dogs
Companion Dogs (sometimes included within Non-Sporting or Toy groups)
Mixed-Breed Dogs (not an official group, but commonly recognized)
Guard dogs fall under working dogs
Working dogs = Guarding, Pulling, Rescuing, Sledding, and Service assisting.
Like you said, the reports are probably skewed to some degree, but that doesn’t stop the fact that you’re more likely to get mauled to death by a Pit Bull then say a Shetland Sheepdog.
Pit bulls are both able and willing to guard. They will stand their ground or attack.
Could you train your Pit Bull to always run in a precived danger situation? Maybe. But you have to train it.
In conclusion: there’s no such thing as an inherently dangerous dog breed
only a dog who needs to be trained in ways they (the owners) are unable or unwilling to do.
If you have to train a dog to do something or else it will “naturally” or “inherently” do something different. Then it is naturally or inherently trained to do that thing, “Guard”.
Do a guard dog equals a fighting dog? Protective equals aggressive? Gtfo with that weak bullshit 🙄
A pit bull will guard you with its life. Not only will it, it can.
If trained to do so. Because of bad owners.
For someone talking a lot about working dogs, you seem utterly clueless about how they BECOME working dogs.
Dogs aren’t machines with certain behaviors hard coded. Some might have generational trauma and/or PTSD from previous owners, but properly trained and socialized dogs EXTREMELY rarely exhibits aggressive behavior and when they do, it’s not caused by being a specific breed.
If you have to train a dog to do something or else it will “naturally” or “inherently” do something different. Then it is naturally or inherently trained to do that thing
That’s a Ben Shapiro sized “let’s say that” 🙄
You don’t have to train a guard breed to not guard any more than you have to train a seventh generation farmer not to farm or he’ll just spontaneously start growing crops.
Do a guard dog equals a fighting dog? Protective equals aggressive? Gtfo with that weak bullshit 🙄
A guard dog DOES not EQUAL a fighting dog. No. But a fighting dog does equal a guard dog.
Gtfo with that weak bullshit 🙄
Good argument point
For someone talking a lot about working dogs, you seem utterly clueless about how they BECOME working dogs.
Do you even know how they BECOME working dogs?
A Shetland Sheepdog doesn’t need to go to doggie college to learn to herd sheep. It is in their nature to chase and get everything together. You put my sheltie in a field of sheep, and he’ll make sure no sheep wanders off.
There is very little training you have to do to get a beagle to hunt rabbits.
Try training a St. Bernard to hunt rabbits…
Dogs aren’t machines with certain behaviors hard coded
Since you said it, it must be true
Some might have generational trauma
So you are saying that past generational experiences can shape a breed? That’s the opposite of what you are trying to argue.
Many studies have been done about aggression in breeding.
One would be The Russian Silver Fox Experiment.
They took wild foxes and tried to domestic them through selective breeding, and they took aggressive foxes and tried to make more aggressive ones.
Turns out that they could do both, make them less aggressive and more aggressive through breeding.
It has been studied a ton in mice and it has been found that aggression is heritable that follows the Mendelian inheritance patterns with genes located on autosomes. That expression of aggressive behavior is influenced by androgens.
So yes, in a way, we, like dogs, are all “machines” with certain “codes”
You don’t have to train a guard breed to not guard any more than you have to train a seventh generation farmer not to farm or he’ll just spontaneously start growing crops.
Oh geez
I’ll ask you this question.
Set up: Pit Bull and Shetland Sheepdog. Both in separate large pits. Gold bars in middle. Food and water is given to both, but no human contact ever.
Which pit would you want to retrieve the gold bar from?
In your mind, it shouldn’t make a difference which pit
A Shetland Sheepdog doesn’t need to go to doggie college to learn to herd sheep. It is in their nature to chase and get everything together
That’s 100% wrong. Except for the “doggie college” part. A working sheepdog ABSOLUTELY needs to be trained. Before, I thought that you might be under the illusion that dogs are machines that just instinctively knows exactly how to do a job without any training. Now I KNOW you’re that stupid.
You put my sheltie in a field of sheep, and he’ll make sure no sheep wanders off.
Not if he’s not trained to do it right, no. Genetic disposition isn’t a cheat code that teaches animals skills automatically. It’s still learned behavior regardless of breed.
There is very little training you have to do to get a beagle to hunt rabbits
Hunting them in the right way rather than just randomly haring after them, pun intended, is another story…
Try training a St. Bernard to hunt rabbits…
Successfully? Sure. Unsuccessfully chasing after wildlife is something all breeds need to be trained out of, even gentle giants like St Bernards or tiny lapdogs.
Dogs aren’t machines with certain behaviors hard coded
Since you said it, it must be true
And since every single expert in canine training and behavior says so.
Some might have generational trauma
So you are saying that past generational experiences can shape a breed?
Not to anywhere near the extent that you’re implying, no.
Set up: Pit Bull and Shetland Sheepdog. Both in separate large pits. Gold bars in middle. Food and water is given to both, but no human contact ever.
Which pit would you want to retrieve the gold bar from?
In your mind, it shouldn’t make a difference which pit
Speaking of minds, judging by that insanely contrived scenario, you’ve CLEARLY lost yours. We’re done here.
Fighting breed = Guard breed
A pit bull will guard you with its life. Not only will it, it can.
Other types are:
Herding Dogs
Sporting Dogs
Hound Dogs
Working Dogs
Terrier Dogs
Toy Dogs
Non-Sporting Dogs
Companion Dogs (sometimes included within Non-Sporting or Toy groups)
Mixed-Breed Dogs (not an official group, but commonly recognized)
Guard dogs fall under working dogs
Working dogs = Guarding, Pulling, Rescuing, Sledding, and Service assisting.
Like you said, the reports are probably skewed to some degree, but that doesn’t stop the fact that you’re more likely to get mauled to death by a Pit Bull then say a Shetland Sheepdog.
Pit bulls are both able and willing to guard. They will stand their ground or attack.
Could you train your Pit Bull to always run in a precived danger situation? Maybe. But you have to train it.
If you have to train a dog to do something or else it will “naturally” or “inherently” do something different. Then it is naturally or inherently trained to do that thing, “Guard”.
Do a guard dog equals a fighting dog? Protective equals aggressive? Gtfo with that weak bullshit 🙄
If trained to do so. Because of bad owners.
For someone talking a lot about working dogs, you seem utterly clueless about how they BECOME working dogs.
Dogs aren’t machines with certain behaviors hard coded. Some might have generational trauma and/or PTSD from previous owners, but properly trained and socialized dogs EXTREMELY rarely exhibits aggressive behavior and when they do, it’s not caused by being a specific breed.
That’s a Ben Shapiro sized “let’s say that” 🙄
You don’t have to train a guard breed to not guard any more than you have to train a seventh generation farmer not to farm or he’ll just spontaneously start growing crops.
A guard dog DOES not EQUAL a fighting dog. No. But a fighting dog does equal a guard dog.
Good argument point
Do you even know how they BECOME working dogs?
A Shetland Sheepdog doesn’t need to go to doggie college to learn to herd sheep. It is in their nature to chase and get everything together. You put my sheltie in a field of sheep, and he’ll make sure no sheep wanders off.
There is very little training you have to do to get a beagle to hunt rabbits.
Try training a St. Bernard to hunt rabbits…
Since you said it, it must be true
So you are saying that past generational experiences can shape a breed? That’s the opposite of what you are trying to argue.
Many studies have been done about aggression in breeding.
One would be The Russian Silver Fox Experiment.
They took wild foxes and tried to domestic them through selective breeding, and they took aggressive foxes and tried to make more aggressive ones.
Turns out that they could do both, make them less aggressive and more aggressive through breeding.
It has been studied a ton in mice and it has been found that aggression is heritable that follows the Mendelian inheritance patterns with genes located on autosomes. That expression of aggressive behavior is influenced by androgens.
So yes, in a way, we, like dogs, are all “machines” with certain “codes”
Oh geez
I’ll ask you this question.
Set up: Pit Bull and Shetland Sheepdog. Both in separate large pits. Gold bars in middle. Food and water is given to both, but no human contact ever.
Which pit would you want to retrieve the gold bar from?
In your mind, it shouldn’t make a difference which pit
That’s 100% wrong. Except for the “doggie college” part. A working sheepdog ABSOLUTELY needs to be trained. Before, I thought that you might be under the illusion that dogs are machines that just instinctively knows exactly how to do a job without any training. Now I KNOW you’re that stupid.
Not if he’s not trained to do it right, no. Genetic disposition isn’t a cheat code that teaches animals skills automatically. It’s still learned behavior regardless of breed.
Hunting them in the right way rather than just randomly haring after them, pun intended, is another story…
Successfully? Sure. Unsuccessfully chasing after wildlife is something all breeds need to be trained out of, even gentle giants like St Bernards or tiny lapdogs.
And since every single expert in canine training and behavior says so.
Not to anywhere near the extent that you’re implying, no.
Speaking of minds, judging by that insanely contrived scenario, you’ve CLEARLY lost yours. We’re done here.
Lol okay