They do indeed usually incorperate you into their personalized, uber conspirstorial worldview.
If you have ever heard the phrase ‘Targeted Individual’ or ‘Gangstalking/Gangstalkers’… these are phrases commonly used by schizophrenics in online communities… who, having broadly similar underlying thought processes and lived experiences, will and do gather on the internet and discuss their … paranoid/persecutory delusions… and they do seem to have largely agreed on those phrases to describe their individualized, specific experiences.
I believe at one point, reddit had a fairly large r/TargetedIndividuals or r/TIs subreddit, something like that… not sure if it still exists or is active.
The “targeted individual” stuff is sad. There’s lots of tiny YouTube and TikTok accounts where people plead to their imaginary tormentors to stop, or angrily rant about how they’re ultimately going to win.
I posted on the TI subreddit a few times trying to encourage people to reach out for help/take their medicine, but yeah - you just become part of the conspiracy, or you simply don’t get it.
I just wanna say… they’re not ‘imaginary’ tormentors, in the sense of someone playing make believe, who can just … not do that.
They cannot turn off the voices in their heads.
They cannot control the fact that they have vivid visual, audio, tactile, olfactory etc hallucinations that are indistinguishable from actual reality, that their memories of past events can basically just have things that did not actually happen… formed or inserted as a ‘core memory’, or things that did actually happen… wildly warped or just removed.
So… what do you do, show them a video of what happened, with them in it?
Nope, thats fake, thats not them, that is their doppleganger, that is their evil clone.
Nobody really knows how to ‘fix’ this, or if its even possible.
Antipsychotics generally just make them more docile and less prone to aggressive outbursts, but they also have massive sideeffects… they often do not actually stop the actual ‘unreal’ experiences.
It is nowhere near as simple as ‘stay on your meds and all the hallucinations go away.’
The result is that… they cannot trust anything… because quite often, the psychiatrists and other medical people they see will basically manipulate and trick them into beleiving the meds … are a cure… insinuating or even directly stating that their meds will solve the problem.
There is also a lot of other kinds of fraud and abuse going on with many people who treat schizophrenics because… who’s going to believe them?
…
I had an ex who … developed into severe schizophrenia.
… My ex was SA’d by a staff member during one fairly long term stay.
Managed to get that guy fired, but not … you know, prosecuted.
The state of mental health is fucked because mental health, at its core, foundationally is built off of ‘how do we pathologize and treat people who have trouble being or cannot actually be any kind of an ideal employee.’
No one fixes this, or homelessness, because … no one cares, these people have no money or power, they are viewed as drains on society, instead of potentially productive members of society, or even fundamentally as just… human beings with consciousness/souls.
It is a structural issue with literally all of society, and the severely mentally ill, and the homeless (which often coincide, what a shocker) are literally the untouchables class.
We like to think we are more modern, more enlightened, more decent… no, we are not.
We are just better at technological propoganda and treats and distractions.
… Maybe there is a world where … now that the veil of this has been shattered by the rise of fascist MAGAs… maybe, down the line, this will lead to some kind of equivalent social/philosophical reexamination of how… we do everything, as there was after WW2 and the Holocaust… maybe that could be our future.
Not well. As RedditRefugee notes…
They do indeed usually incorperate you into their personalized, uber conspirstorial worldview.
If you have ever heard the phrase ‘Targeted Individual’ or ‘Gangstalking/Gangstalkers’… these are phrases commonly used by schizophrenics in online communities… who, having broadly similar underlying thought processes and lived experiences, will and do gather on the internet and discuss their … paranoid/persecutory delusions… and they do seem to have largely agreed on those phrases to describe their individualized, specific experiences.
I believe at one point, reddit had a fairly large r/TargetedIndividuals or r/TIs subreddit, something like that… not sure if it still exists or is active.
The “targeted individual” stuff is sad. There’s lots of tiny YouTube and TikTok accounts where people plead to their imaginary tormentors to stop, or angrily rant about how they’re ultimately going to win.
I posted on the TI subreddit a few times trying to encourage people to reach out for help/take their medicine, but yeah - you just become part of the conspiracy, or you simply don’t get it.
So… yeah.
I just wanna say… they’re not ‘imaginary’ tormentors, in the sense of someone playing make believe, who can just … not do that.
They cannot turn off the voices in their heads.
They cannot control the fact that they have vivid visual, audio, tactile, olfactory etc hallucinations that are indistinguishable from actual reality, that their memories of past events can basically just have things that did not actually happen… formed or inserted as a ‘core memory’, or things that did actually happen… wildly warped or just removed.
So… what do you do, show them a video of what happened, with them in it?
Nope, thats fake, thats not them, that is their doppleganger, that is their evil clone.
Nobody really knows how to ‘fix’ this, or if its even possible.
Antipsychotics generally just make them more docile and less prone to aggressive outbursts, but they also have massive sideeffects… they often do not actually stop the actual ‘unreal’ experiences.
It is nowhere near as simple as ‘stay on your meds and all the hallucinations go away.’
The result is that… they cannot trust anything… because quite often, the psychiatrists and other medical people they see will basically manipulate and trick them into beleiving the meds … are a cure… insinuating or even directly stating that their meds will solve the problem.
There is also a lot of other kinds of fraud and abuse going on with many people who treat schizophrenics because… who’s going to believe them?
…
I had an ex who … developed into severe schizophrenia.
Shit sucks man.
Certainly. When I was inpatient I saw them drug a man and lock him in a small closet.
The state won’t investigate the fact that I was assaulted - they sure as shit won’t ever believe anything that man says.
I don’t understand why the state of the mental health system is so fucked. and why no one seems to be trying to fix it.
… My ex was SA’d by a staff member during one fairly long term stay.
Managed to get that guy fired, but not … you know, prosecuted.
The state of mental health is fucked because mental health, at its core, foundationally is built off of ‘how do we pathologize and treat people who have trouble being or cannot actually be any kind of an ideal employee.’
No one fixes this, or homelessness, because … no one cares, these people have no money or power, they are viewed as drains on society, instead of potentially productive members of society, or even fundamentally as just… human beings with consciousness/souls.
It is a structural issue with literally all of society, and the severely mentally ill, and the homeless (which often coincide, what a shocker) are literally the untouchables class.
We like to think we are more modern, more enlightened, more decent… no, we are not.
We are just better at technological propoganda and treats and distractions.
… Maybe there is a world where … now that the veil of this has been shattered by the rise of fascist MAGAs… maybe, down the line, this will lead to some kind of equivalent social/philosophical reexamination of how… we do everything, as there was after WW2 and the Holocaust… maybe that could be our future.