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Thanks, feminism.
Isn’t it like ~$310,000 to raise a kid to 17? That’s, what, 2% of what is needed after the poor child is born? And some woman is going to decide to let a guy nut in her for $5000?
This won’t even cover the medical costs to give birth
Even Elon pays better than this
We don’t have a population shortage so I’m confused? The only reasoning I can see is to use as meat on some front lines somewhere he can use in his 7th term in office.
Do people really think he’ll be alive in 20 years? He’d be nearing 100.
Every week I’m amazed - and other feelings - that he’s still 'round.
Are these those welfare babies Republicans always screeeched about?
Have 4 kids.
5k is couch money when you have kids. It’ll maybe take care of a few months of daycare. Now if you’re on gov assistance and make next to nothing? This will be great, but don’t expect to get a job or climb out of poverty with 5k. A kid will eat that up super fast.
Remember the stimulus checks that covered approximately 15 days’ worth of rent?
Remember? I’m still living off of mine!
Oh wait, that was just some right wing delusional bullshit that disappeared as quickly as it materialized.
hospital bill will likely be 10x that
$5,000 will easily cover diapers, food (even if not breastfeeding), clothes, etc. for a year and more.
We can play with adding other costs, but kids can be way cheaper than paying “retail”. FFS, toys, cribs, car carriers, all that shit is free, all day long. What we did pay for amounted to change, and then we sold it for change or donated it.
People have a kid, acquire all that stuff, and in a very short window suddenly have no use for it. You just about can’t give it away. LOL, how many babies can wear the same one-piece until it’s worn out? 10?! Our landlord’s wife worked a charity for baby stuff. Gave us tons of goods, we gave it back.
You’re delusional if you think the average person spends $5,000 for the first year of their newborns life. Ask any new parent, or Google it. The average cost of a baby’s first year can range from $16,905 to $28,166, depending on factors like location, income, and lifestyle. The main cost drivers are diapers, clothes, food, child care, and health insurance.
The image post specifically stated diapers and clothing.
The post also specifically said 5k ain’t shit, and I think that was the actual point.
It costs about 300k USD median to raise a kid from birth to 18. By no measure is 5k enough for a year of anything in that period.
instead of DEPENDING on GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS new parents should be GRATEFUL someone is WILLING to be GENEROUS and provide them with such GOODWILL. America is WINNING again under PRESIDENT TRUMP
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The government giving people stuff they didn’t earn? Sounds kind of progressive. Is that really the image pure fucking evil vile narcissistic scum really want?
That won’t even cover half of the (insured) cost of even the smoothest birth with my plan, and I work for a multi-billion dollar company.
This country, man. Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.
Having traveled abroad a bit, you start to realize how tunnel-visioned people stateside can get. Don’t even realize how much they/we are getting fleeced.
It’s the classic of someone having to visit a doctor while in Europe. And they’re always shocked at how cheap it is in comparison. Even people who know it’s much cheaper tend to think it’s like 50% , not 99-100% less. I had an emergency room visit with blood and urine testing, painkiller injection, private exam room, etc… It took a few hours and was about $25 that you could pay at a machine on your way out.
I wouldn’t use the word “tunnel-visioned”. That implies focused on something and ignoring the things nearby.
I think it’s more accurate to say “ignorant”. Many, probably most Americans just have no clue about most things outside the USA. You’ve travelled abroad, most Americans have not. The US is such an insular society that people can get away with saying things like “Canadians hate their healthcare” and people actually believe them.
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Our deductible was about 6,500. It depends what kind of plan you’re on
I was gonna day $5k is just a handout to insurance companies for just the birth of the baby.
Which is, well, the end of Republicans giving a shit about babies and children.
Meanwhile Id kill for those 5k bucks. But thats becausw the right to stay alive doesnt cost me a kidney
This is such a classic fascist play, get your bingo cards out ladies
Better Idea, let’s fix the economy so people can afford to have Babies.
Or fix the world so we want to have Babies.
Or lower the price of housing so we have a place to put babies.
Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor…oh wait.
Or open forced breeding camps, shanty towns and and slave labor…oh wait.
Mmm yes, Borrasca.
One of those are more likely than the others. It’s the last one.
And you just know the people coming out of those labour factories will all share a visibly distinct attribute - or tint, god help me for saying that - that makes them recognizable as low-caste now as it did in the 1800s.
I hate fearing that is right around the corner. Again, fuck.
I’m gonna fucking laugh if it leads to a revolution due to the slaves being the only people actively reproducing
What do you think all of this immigrant shit is about. They want white babies.
Look at the historic birth rate in countries where where these things aren’t an issue and you’ll realize that unless you walk back on women rights and access to contraception, people won’t have enough babies to renew the population because they simple don’t want to have enough of them to do so.
How in the fuck do you write “unless you walk back on women rights”? Like what happens in your mind that you actually post that for the public to see? Shame on you for that misogyny, you deserve a slap.
Also, where is this magical country where I don’t have to worry about wealth inequality and climate catastrophe?
You are absolutely arguing in bad faith, and for that, fuck you.
Reading comprehension much?
I never said it was acceptable to walk back on women rights, I said it’s something that people who want to see a higher birthrate will have to fight against because it’s not happening otherwise. I couldn’t give more of a crap about increasing birthrate, I won’t have kids by choice. I do give a fucking crap about women rights though!
I mentioned historical statistics because you can look back at times before climate change and wealth inequality worried anyone and birthrate was going down as women rights increased and contraception became readily available.
So, conclusion, if women are given the right to do more with their lives than being mothers and if contraceptives are made available, couples will make the decision not to have enough kids to renew the population, no matter how easy it is to have them, as we can see in all developed countries where socio economic inequality is lower than in the US. Scandinavian countries don’t renew their population without immigration and haven’t for a fucking long time, in Finland birthrate went below renewal rate before WW2 for fuck’s sake!
It’s the most horrendous correlation-is-causation I’ve ever seen.
And people outside US have it better, but the trajectory is mostly the same everywhere, so you’re just full of shit.
It’s not easy to have children ANYWHERE, and in most places it just too expensive or downright impossible due to childcare issues or tons of other things.
I’m talking about historic data and you’re unable to understand what that means in terms of variation in quality of life over time. Even when people could make it on a single income they didn’t have 2.1 kids if they had the means to prevent it.
Hell, millionaires and billionaires don’t have enough kids to renew the population either, but I guess you will find some way to not understand that either.
What the fuck are you on about?
“Billionares are parenting on average 2.99 children”
It’s you who mixes shit with stats and acting tough.
Shut up.
Wrong again
The average number of children among the 512 billionaires was 2.64, with US and Russian billionaires having higher averages of 2.8 and 3.2, respectively. The average number of children was also higher among older billionaires, **ranging from 1.05 among billionaires aged less than 45 ** to 3.2 among billionaires aged over 75. Among female billionaires, the average number of children was 2.41, while among males, it was slightly higher at 2.66. Tables 1-4 provide a detailed breakdown of the data.
1.05 kids for the ones under 45, will you look at that, just like everyone else in their generation, they don’t have kids!
There might be other factors at play. Deciding to have a child is a complex decision. But not having those things mentioned just makes the problem worse.
Also, speaking of historical facts. Even outlawing abortion and such doesn’t stop it. They travel or use risky methods. Or they put the kid up for adoption which leads to a massive spike in crime. Which is why roughly 18 years after Roe v Wade there was a drop in crime.
As I said, it’s just historical stats from a bunch of different countries that all show the same thing.
Both my sisters in law have three kids and get about $1.6k in financial help, super cheap childcare and free healthcare, they’re still in the minority of people who have 3 kids in Canada and most of the decline happened just as the pill was made legal and women started having rights and didn’t depend on their husband to, for example, open a bank account and at a time when buying a house wasn’t an issue.
Look at migrants from African countries, childbirth over there is super high, they move to a rich country and they don’t have as many kids as the average in their country of origin even though living conditions are better.
Women rights. Contraception.
You call out all the reasons they should have a kid, like free healthcare. But ignore all the reasons why people don’t want to have kids.
You also ignore all the reasons why someone in a 3rd world country might have more kids. Like mortality rate, needing more hands for work, etc.
Yes contraception and reproductive rights are part of it. But acting like those are the only things it’s naive.
Acting like making peoples lives more comfortable will make them want to have kids is every more naive, that’s why I was replying in the first place. There’s plenty of reasons people don’t want them, women rights gives them even more reasons, women rights and contraception gives them the means to prevent it.
Lol, you’re clearly invested in one side and doing research in only one direction. There are plenty of reasons people would want kids too. There are plenty of reasons they don’t have kids that can be changed.
You also pick out a chart that conveniently only has things that support this view called out. Ignoring correlation doesn’t equal causation. If you think so, this site will blow your mind https://search.app/RrPkGZ5UpJcSrvHU9
I’m not here to change your mind, you’ve made it up. I’ve said my piece.
Thing is, when you see the same thing happen all over the world then saying “correlation doesn’t equal causation!” just makes you look dumb.
as always, trump’s face is in it.
they should have plated the purse in gold to complete the package.
As an atheist baby-eater, sign me up. I could have a lovely dinner party for $5K on Hallowen every year and not have to find a main course.
That’s the only way anyone would financially benefit from this bill. Infanticide. And only if they do a home birth.
I don’t think babies are supposed to be profitable.
If you’re already gonna have a baby anyway, the 5k is a bonus. Otherwise it won’t do much for you.
Completely. And therefore this is an absolutely terrible way to “boost the U.S. population”.
