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Element is a good alternative, OpenSource and federated
soooo, honest opinions of discord users here: hows matrix nowadays? what are the other options?
It really depends on how you use Discord. Matrix was never trying to be a Discord alternative so for some usecases it’s fine, but for a place to hang out with your friends and play video games it’s not.
No.
Please give me a federated, self-hosted Discord alternative! I’m tired of these bullshit platforms.
Not federated, but Revolt can be self-hosted and is very similar to Discord in the look and feel from what I have seen (I have it installed, but haven’t tried getting friends to install it and am not hosting). So it could be worth looking into for folks that are used to Discord.
It’s not federated, the developer is specifically against federation. He didn’t even support self-hosting properly and officially, until the community made pullrequests in this regard themselves. Revolt is mainly made to be hosted by the developer himself. Probably just another Discord. Open-sourcing the code doesn’t do anything.
facebook does the same thing, except also requires a photo ID too. it seems alot right wingers have migrated to these 2 platforms so they can control narratives better, better off staying away from these platforms.
How am I going to rip on them until they have aneurysms if I’m not on there too?
Byeeeeee
Weird, I recall Lemmy being so happy when Australia pass the “social media ban” for kids thing. Guess Lemmings forgot stuff like this also impact adults.
I don’t remember it like that at all. I saw lots of complaints about the privacy impacts and how ineffective it would be.
The hacker known as lemmy
L’Mao, the Chinese Hacker
The downfall of discord
Cool. I’m out then.
The app will ask users to scan their face through a computer or smartphone webcam; alternatively, they can scan a driver’s license or other form of ID.
comes in response to laws passed in those countries that place guardrails on youth access to online platforms.
Personally this sounds pretty reasonable. I don’t want young children on there. Any expectation of anonymity on Discord, a social network, is not warranted. Ask any number of users who’ve been prosecuted based on evidence turned over by Discord. It’s also US-based
I agree. Personally this sounds pretty reasonable. I don’t want young children on here. Any expectation of anonymity on Lemmy, a social network, is not warranted.
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Correct, I don’t really want 12-year-olds commenting here either. Do you? Genuine question
Though Lemmy instances are largely public. You don’t need an account to view their contents. So that’s pretty different from Discord
For the record, I do think the laws will apply to Lemmy instances
I don’t care about the user’s age, I care about their behavior.
There are adults here that act immature and bicker like a child, I don’t want those either.
Its easier to enforce a code of conduct and ban users with bad behavior, rather than something arbitrary, like age.
How are you even suppose to verify someone’s age without violating privacy?
Interesting. I think most users would assume they’re talking to other adults and might change their language or behavior if they thought they were conversing with children
Age is anything but arbitrary from a law perspective. With these laws there is no expectation of privacy in regards to age. I’d argue there never was, it was just poorly enforced and got normalized
Why shouldn’t young children be able to use Discord? I have kids and want them to be able to use it to chat while they play games with friends and with me.
I’ll try to keep them to only chatting with people they know until I think they’re mature enough.
I have kids too. I’m not singling out Discord here, just pointing out they’re trying to follow the law.
Young kids and social media are inherently a bad mix. Primarily because it promotes antisocial behaviors and they cannot effectively comprehend and consent to the privacy polices and TOS. Hence why adults need to be involved in account creation.
the creators of the laws requiring said guardrails should be held personally accountable for every piece of information that gets leaked as a result of their bs “think of the children” arguments.
I feel like we need a less invasive form of age verification or we need actual data privacy laws in the US with some teeth. As it is right now it’s basically a guarantee that your ID and facial data will be in a breach eventually. Seems like every site will require this once it starts.
I feel like we need a less invasive form of age verification
Yep. Probably a billion dollar idea if you can execute it properly. These laws are spurring competition
I think most peoples’ facial data is already for sale and breachable/leakable
I mean. . . It should be up to the parents to protect and educate their children. It is very easy to set up protections on a computer to either not let them use discord or to not allow them to install it.
That’s a false dichotomy. Parents can and should protect children. Social media sites can and should protect children. It’s in the social interest. Parents don’t have control over every device a child has access to. Firewalls at schools and libraries are often lackluster
Need alternatives to have built-in, easy to use screenshare with audio. And of course great noise filtering on voice chats.
I have a privacy news channel on my discord server because I’m desperately trying to get my folks to switch to Matrix, it hasn’t happened yet but maybe it will now.
I just made a post on discord about this, and I link to alternatives such as a matrix group, signal chat, my YouTube channel, etc. if I am locked out, then I hope my followers can follow me to the new place, whatever that is.
Controversially, I cheer on the quickening of the inshitification of Discord. The sooner more folks are convinced to move away from that place, the better. I hope for a return to indexable and searchable old school forums (or their modern equivalents—Discourse is so nice).
I am not all computer, but isn’t it possible to make something like discord that is searchable like forums?
Anything is possible. But I’m also a grump who doesn’t like the fast pace of chat anyway, so I’m personally more interested in the forums approach.
Discord was shit from the beginning. Enshitification is useless here.
Sadly parts of my social group are currently migrating to discord.
You’re probably right, sadly.
Problem is folks won’t move, they’re too entrenched. Look at twitter, it’s still going ok despite having been a cesspit for years now. Or reddit, where some moved, but they moved to yet another enshittified platform: Discord. The amount of crap people ( especially the ones on discord ) will put up with is immense before they even consider switching.
Sad but true. A guy can dream.
I think when enough live streaming influencers switch to Revolt or whatever else, many people will follow.
Future headline: “Discord users begin testing Discord alternatives”
Maybe we can all go back to AIM
It’s proprietary and centralized. No practical difference. IRC and XMPP are the way.
Already started. Revolt seems like it could be a near 1 to 1 replacement soon.
Too bad team speak hasn’t released their updated server files.
I’ve never quit using teamspeak but I’d never see it as an alternative for the chatting functions of discord (neither private or server wide). Calling and screensharing on it is superior for sure, chatting is garbage.
Embedded matrix client and Teamspeak client in a webpage? Selfhost it.
I’m sure it can’t be that hard. I’m planning on rolling out something similar, if it works I’ll like the source code here.
I’m not a technical person, can’t be bothered for that. In the end for tools like this its important non-tech people can also use it
This is something that I feel like should be at the top of every single tech related community. Not everyone is a techie and they shouldn’t have to be to exiat in the modern world.
We really need more people working on tech that both has great privacy but also simplicity. Currently you always have to pick between convenience or privacy. Everybody that keeps pushing self hosting doesn’t get that not everybody has the skills or time to set that up.
I work in IT, I do QA, I write test automation code, I setup CI/CD pipelines but the moment you put me on networking stuff I’m done, gg well played. It’s a whole new skillset so if I as someone who grew up and work in a technical job has a hard time with it don’t even think its going mainstream.
