Not sure if this fits here…

An OPSEC community would probably say no, so I probably don’t need to ask in those communities. But I’m curious about a (digital) pirate’s perspective on this issue…

I mean, the sources listed here are supposedly “safe” right? But honestly, how much would you trust these “safe” sources?

When doing sensitive tasks like banking or filing taxes, do you:

  • Use a different OS on the same machine? (Dualboot)
  • Or put the pirated content inside a virtual machine?
  • Or just use a completely separate computer?

And since PC is much different than a Smartphone:

  • Would the extra sandboxing on Smartphones make pirating games on a Smartphone much safer compared to on a PC? (Not that there are much mobile games worth playing, just curious)

(PC in this context referring to all personal computers, regardless of OS)

And last question:

  • Non-installed/non-executable files such as .mp4 .mkv .mp3 .pdf .epub, are mostly safe right? I mean, you are using another program to opening it, not executing a file, there aren’t much attack vectors as long as the video player / ebook viewer is up to date right? (Or am I understanding it wrong?)
  • Xianshi@lemm.ee
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    I dont run non free software. All games are in emulators or i buy them on steam or get them free on epic and play via heroic.

    Any ebooks or pdfs are scanned on virus total and one positive result is enough to get deleted. I also only read them on an old tablet and old kindle both from around 2011/12 with networking disabled. They are only used for this purpose.

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    Let’s not be fooled by memes and buzz. Crackers don’t crack it to infect your computer and make money. They do it to le t others play the game. They benefit by getting to play some other game someone else has cracked and distributing. And maybe they enjoy it as it’s challenging. Cracking isn’t about infecting people’s computers. When some pirated game comes with some ransomware or trojan injected, probably it’s been done by someone else whose passion is totally different than that of the cracker. They take the crack, modify it and then redistribute it malware injected. So, maybe, by downloading popular torrents, I mean if you make sure it comes directly from the cracker group, you can avoid malware except the spyware the game manufacturer has put into it, of course.

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    Strangely enough I’ve found that some kid in India or Russia distributing his crack doesn’t do it to control my PC or to infect it.

    Big corporations that install root kits or use hyper invasive cheat software (even when no competitive mode even exists) are far more insidious and untrustworthy.

    I worry more about the hidden telemetry of big apps more than some crack being infected. Hell even MS virus scan will throw up false flags because the software just isn’t a registered dev or will quarantine an exe in error (libremonitor for example).

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    yes. pirated software is suprisingly secure most of the time.

    im also not running windows. malware not meant for proton is gonna have a bad tine working.

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    I mean, I pirated the Windows 10 installation on my gaming PC. Massgrave scripts helped out though, so there’s that.

    That said, I’m wiping Windows soon and installing LMDE. It’s the last Windows PC in my house (minus W11 work laptop - that doesn’t count though).

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    When engaging in criminal activity, you have no “legal” recourse for malicious behavior, so you work on the web of trust instead.

    If you can’t trust the software, nor the publisher, nor the hash verified by however many seeders, then don’t download it in the first place. Me personally, considering I install indie porn games on the regular and never once gotten a virus that I know of, I think it’s worth it to trust others.

    Of course you could always go into paranoid zero trust mode but sometimes being a social being means trusting the criminal serving you free shit isn’t ratfucking your data

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        Why is it always like this…

        Not everything and everyone is in the US.

        I also prefer Windows to Linux in the desktop environment. As for my server tasks, I mostly prefer Debian and if needed I’ll use Windows Server (obviously unlicensed/not activated).
        I’ll use what fits for the task. :)

        Edit: Also not a bad thing to separate a machine that holds sensitive data (even if they are encrypted) from another with a higher risk rating. Even if it’s Linux, Mac OS, Unix or whatever based.

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          My mistake. The concept of “doing taxes” is usually US-specific, I don’t really hear about that kind of thing from users in other, more civilized countries.

          Genuinely curious though… Why use a VM for taxes?

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            No worries.
            As for your questions:
            In Germany we can optionally file taxes. If we were overtaxed, we can claim the overcharged amount back.
            As for why not on my main PC: I don’t want that kind of software clogging up my main rig. Also helps keeping my digital mess a bit more organized ;)

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    I personally run all my games in Bottles (flatpak) with sandboxing on. Even if a game is available for Linux I still run the Windows version inside Bottles just so it’s slightly safer.

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    I’m running the games in Linux, using Lutris as a launcher with a default configuration that wraps them in a firejail sandbox (for anybody interested, you add firejail as the “command prefix” under Global Options or in the System Options of the game) which amongst other things blocks networking.

    In fact I went and figure out how to do all that exactly because I wanted to run pirated games in Linux in a safe way and you can’t just rely on the lower probability of Windows games of having code that tries to determine if it’s being run with Wine and accesses Linux-specific functionality and files if it is.

    PS: That firejail stuff also works for Linux native games (it just wraps whatever you’re running to start the game, be it Wine or directly the game Linux binary).

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    the games I pirate are all in my Lutris app which I installed as a flatpak on Linux, so they don’t have the necessary permissions to change important files.

    also I install them in the virtual C: drive, and they normally shouldn’t thouch the virtual Z: drive. I don’t think a hack would do that because installing malware on the windows drive should be enough for most people pirating games

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    No, I try to treat that machine like a quarantine zone, I have a two PC setup and that’s part of the reason for it. So basically I don’t log into online accounts on that one (except relatively unimportant accounts for convenience, like Steam), and I don’t do important stuff on it

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    pdf files can contain javascript code that can run when it is opened. but when using complex formats (I think almost all video files, pdfs), it can happen that the software that understands it makes mistakes when reading it and making sense of it, and an attacker tries to make use of this to trick your software into doing something that wasn’t intended by its creator. this is how it can happen that an mp4 file (or mkv, others, …) cannot contain executable code (according to specification), and yet it can

    in the case of pdf files, bundled fonts may be another source of problems

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    I’m on Linux, using Bottles to run pirated games. It adds a little bit of sandboxing, compatdata is usually a weird environment for malware to effectively work in (unless the malware is written specifically for it), if the game is really sketchy then I’d just disable network access for bottles flatpak too just to make sure.

    All in all, I do sometimes have a little bit of paranoia and look through processes to see if there’s anything running and periodically go through some folders to see if there’s anything weird or unusual there, I’d still consider my machine to be safe.

    As for the last question, PDF’s are an attack vector and should be used with caution. As for other file types, it depends on the software you use to run them - if it’s something pretty barebones that just plays it then it’s usually fine, but if its something more complex and reads some custom data embeded into those files, then it can be a vulnerability. Not a security expert though, but it’s the gist I got from looking at some historical vulnerabilities.

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      First thing a malware would do is to replace top/ps and related utilities, to mask itself. Or directly replace kernel calls. You will not notice by just checking running processes

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    I run such games on Linux now, mostly with wine/proton. There is some risk, sure, but I’d largely say that system is still secure. If something comes by and wipes out the system, I have snapshots of anything important, including root and home. If those are gone, I have versioned backups offsite and maybe offline. I don’t expect to receive any malware targeting my somewhat esoteric software choices from windows games, so I feel okay logging into a secure sevice, for example, but I may have to adjust this in the future.

    With regards to smartphones, I think there are so many holes that it’s not much more secure, if any, than a paranoid desktop setup. From time to time I have installed random APKs and had extreme anxiety each time. I am massively more paranoid about my phone as I don’t have real control over what’s running on it. Hoping for more competitive open source solutions in the future.

    Generally speaking, opening non-executable files is fine. There are and have been specific exploits which allow arbitrary code execution, but it’s dependent on the application/library loading them. The bigger danger is files disguised as other things. This is especially bad on Windows as it likes to hide that information from users, or just execute random embedded vbscripts, or whatever. Also see the recent whatsapp mimetype bug/exploit. Certain things pose more of a risk than others. PDFs (thanks adobe) can embed arbitrary javascript which is meant to be executed. Same as web pages, of course, but browsers have a lot more attention to sandboxing.

    Edit: I don’t really run cracked software anymore, but I have VMs ready to go if need be. Would recommend others do the same.