• AidsKitty@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    There are many truths. All those pictures are true so are fighting Nazis, imperialism, and famine. See the whole picture not just the part that supports your bias and political position.

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      The ONLY reason they temporarily (and royally late) fought nazis was to stop the Soviets from liberating the whole of western Europe.
      European competition nicely destroyed after which these vultures made us their vasals.
      If anything they helped plenty nazis escape or rehabilitated them.
      And I’m sure they caused more famines than solved them.

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      Exactly. It’s not a clear black and white issue and there are no easy solutions

      It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt. – John Philpot Curran

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      Remember that good thing we did once? That means we can now ransack other 3rd world countries for profit, and fight in every country we can make a profit.

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      Yes absolutely. And many soldiers have paid the ultimate sacrifice for those things. Plus decisions regarding war are often made by politicians not soldiers.

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      But, Elon is throwing the Nazi salute. Your government is stripping away peoples rights. The whole picture is, the U.S. is stripping people of their constitutional rights.

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        Not really.

        They are just getting rid of any and every liberty that any reasonable society would provide.

        Not the rights though. We never had such rights. We just didn’t realise those were needed to be written down because others didn’t violate those expectations.

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            There is no such thing as a right to an abortion and that has nothing to do with doge. That was decided by the supreme court years ago. Elon Musk has already said he will step down at the end of May. You say he is taking peoples rights away. What rights is he taking away?

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      The US fights for Imperialism and famine, though. It doesn’t engage in war for moral reasons, but for profit, and as the world Hegemon, that directly incentivizes US Imperialism.

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        The U.S doesn’t give a fuck about their people. Women are being charged when they have a miscarriage. Seriously. WTF is wrong with you people???

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          Do you have… any supporting evidence? Or is this just based off the warm fuzzy feeling you got from doing the pledge of allegiance in school?

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              So is there any particular military history in the last 50 years you want to talk about? The invasion of Panama? Granada? Bombing Yugoslavia? Targeting Iraq’s infrastructure during the gulf war, then imposing sanctions estimated to have caused a million excess deaths, mostly of children? Bombing a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan? Iraq II? Arming the groups that would become ISIS and Al Nusra?

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                Sure, how about Ukraine. If we didnt give them 200 billion in money, weapons, and training they would just be Russian territory by now.

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                  Lets examine the evidence of history:

                  Do you think the people of Palestine are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Syria are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Libya are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Yemen are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Somalia are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Afghanistan are better off because of the US’s actions? Do you think the people of Iraq are better off because of the US’s actions?

                  And that’s just in the last decade, and I know I missed a few. Do you really think Lucy is going to let Charlie Brown kick the football this time?

                  America is not acting to help the people of Ukraine, we supported the right-wing throughout the coup so we could have a hostile state on Russia’s border so the vultures can eat their fill as both countries are bled dry. Hence why Ukraine was required to sell off state assets to foreigners for pennies on the dollar, accept massive loans, give up mineral rights, lower the draft age, etc. Russia aren’t the good guys, but the US’s actions have resulted in a scenario infinitely worse for the Ukrainian people.

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                    Things dont have immediate results. Do I think it is better for a nation or a people to be freed from being ruled by a dictator? Yes. Can it take generations before another stable government, more suitable to serve the needs of the people, can be constructed and ascend to power? Yes. It varies from place to place, culture to culture, and people to people. Yes I think their future peoples will be better off.

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          Maybe the military should think about what the fuck they’re doing??? Are they going to follow fascists?

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            Maybe understand that when an asshole is trying to turn your country into a dictatorship, there’s a time when the military stands for their country. NOT for dictatorship!

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              they were always a dictatorship for the rest of the world.
              They can all go to hell

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      When have U.S. troops fought against imperialism?

      And if you’re hanging your hat on (reluctantly) being on the right side of one war 80 years ago, it’s time for a hard look in the mirror.