You know in those movies where the hero has to beat the living hell from a thousand grunts before they are able to get at the boss? And you don’t feel too bad for the grunts, even though they’re not millionaires or the guys doing the big evil stuff, because they chose to align themselves with a villain like the boss?
It’s kind of like that. If people don’t want to own a Tesla because they’ll be targeted for aligning themselves with Musk, Tesla’s stock goes down, which hurts the boss.
I’m not saying I support it (and I’m not saying I don’t), but saying that this is hurting the Working Class and not the real Bad Guy is missing the point.
Just to inform you: most people don’t care about the owner of their car brand. Do you know the owner of most, Toyota shares (without looking it up) ? People see Tesla, which is the most well known electric car brand, the Jones have one too, let’s buy one.
I think you’re missing the point. Personally, when I watch those movies, I think about whether the guard who just got turned into a parapalegic was just an ex-military guy who picked up a security job. For that matter, I wonder about how many people joined the German military in 1932, with no idea what their country would become. They still had to be fought through to affect the leader. Yes, any given grunt, any given infantry, is hurt considerably more than the big fish, but the way of the world is that a lot of little fish must suffer before the big fish feels it.
Not every big fish can be luigi-ed. Some have a security detail.
There seems to be a misunderstanding indeed. What I was saying is that most tesla owners aren’t SS members who kill people and defend musk, they just hought a car for another reason (ecology, looking cool, showing off, they like the big display etc…) and might not even know that musk has something to do with tesla (I know, it’s hard to believe, but people genuinely don’t care who makes their cars)
Counter point = some folks bought Tesla (the normal ones not the weird “truck” things) because they wanted a more environmentally friendly option for a car. Back before awareness that Musk is an asshole was common.
Like some of the owners might be regretful but not in a position to sell at a huge loss and buy a different EV.
Nah. Musk was calling that rescue diver saving kids trapped in cave a pedo before the model 3 came out. It was clear, public knowledge that he was a douchebag very early on.
Not everyone follows social media or the news like you. And not everyone bases their buying decisions on the personality of the company’s CEO. I think most people don’t. And probably most CEOs are douchebags
Being unaware doesn’t protect from consequences. Even morally, in a democracy, it’s up to the people to be informed. Buying decisions drive policy. It should worry people that they don’t have the time nor tools to be informed. This alone should start a general strike.
With all the things that are looming, imagine the price you are going to pay because you were not online enough.
Yeah but I kind of expect every CEO to be on that level of douchebaggery. We wouldn’t be able to buy everything if that’s the bar, because the CEO of every company is on that level.
Also we can’t expect everyone to be aware of that story.
It’s when he bought Twitter and started going on about woke mind virus that he revealed himself as a bigger douche than most CEOs.
Yeah, the twitter debacle fucking broke him I wonder if there’s an alternative timeline where he weaseled out of having to buy it and decided to calm down and shut the fuck up afterwards.
Maybe this is the timeline where he eats enough drugs to explode his own heart on a livestream.
EVERY big company CEO is a piece of shit. They just keep it behind closed doors. Fuckface decided to do it in the open.
You probably own clothes right now made by kids in Pakistan. How would you feel if someone set them on fire while you were wearing them?
You gonna slap the food out of people’s mouths because they shop at Walmart?
Wanna kick some homeless dude for wearing a donated Tesla T-shirt?
At some point you gotta realize everyone is a victim of capitalism and punishing them for being part of the system they’re born into is the opposite of how you get them to look around and wake up.
If they really want catharsis they’d go after Tesla showrooms. Musk actually owns those, so you’ll actually be hurting his bottom line directly, instead of fucking over someone who bought the only car you could even get during the pandemic.
Really, if you’re pissed at him fuck with him, not some random with a car payment who probably hates him as much as you do.
(I really want to say cybertrucks are fair game, but that’s the goblin talking, and you really shouldn’t listen to the goblin. If your goal is accelerationism, then we have nothing to say to each other)
Counterpoint: We’ve known how fucked up he is for years. It was just hero worshipping suckers who bought into his bullshit. Anyone with half a brain recognized him for exactly what he always has been.
Lots of people aren’t online as much as you and I are. They might have bought an EV for environmental reasons 10 years ago without even noticing who owned the company.
Just if someone bought a Tesla as their personal vehicle 10 years ago because they wanted an environmentally friendly car - before we knew what an asshole Musk was - I don’t think they deserve to have their personal property damaged/destroyed.
Musk is the one hurting Tesla owners with his policies. Yes tesla owners are collateral damage, but the US government cares very little about collateral damage.
Agree: US Government doesn’t care about collateral damage
I just would encourage folks who want to hurt Musk to focus on action that hurts Musk. Causing collateral damage is not fair or helpful - best to avoid it whenever possible.
I would encourage non violent, non permanent actions. But as long as Musk receives his wealth and power from Tesla, those cars remain legitimate targets.
You know in those movies where the hero has to beat the living hell from a thousand grunts before they are able to get at the boss? And you don’t feel too bad for the grunts, even though they’re not millionaires or the guys doing the big evil stuff, because they chose to align themselves with a villain like the boss?
It’s kind of like that. If people don’t want to own a Tesla because they’ll be targeted for aligning themselves with Musk, Tesla’s stock goes down, which hurts the boss.
I’m not saying I support it (and I’m not saying I don’t), but saying that this is hurting the Working Class and not the real Bad Guy is missing the point.
Just to inform you: most people don’t care about the owner of their car brand. Do you know the owner of most, Toyota shares (without looking it up) ? People see Tesla, which is the most well known electric car brand, the Jones have one too, let’s buy one.
I think you’re missing the point. Personally, when I watch those movies, I think about whether the guard who just got turned into a parapalegic was just an ex-military guy who picked up a security job. For that matter, I wonder about how many people joined the German military in 1932, with no idea what their country would become. They still had to be fought through to affect the leader. Yes, any given grunt, any given infantry, is hurt considerably more than the big fish, but the way of the world is that a lot of little fish must suffer before the big fish feels it.
Not every big fish can be luigi-ed. Some have a security detail.
There seems to be a misunderstanding indeed. What I was saying is that most tesla owners aren’t SS members who kill people and defend musk, they just hought a car for another reason (ecology, looking cool, showing off, they like the big display etc…) and might not even know that musk has something to do with tesla (I know, it’s hard to believe, but people genuinely don’t care who makes their cars)
Then “most people” need to drag their thoughts further afield than their own tiny selfish little world.
Ignorance is not innocence.
Do ylu trace back minerals in your cellphone to the very child that mined them ?
Counter point = some folks bought Tesla (the normal ones not the weird “truck” things) because they wanted a more environmentally friendly option for a car. Back before awareness that Musk is an asshole was common.
Like some of the owners might be regretful but not in a position to sell at a huge loss and buy a different EV.
Nah. Musk was calling that rescue diver saving kids trapped in cave a pedo before the model 3 came out. It was clear, public knowledge that he was a douchebag very early on.
Not everyone follows social media or the news like you. And not everyone bases their buying decisions on the personality of the company’s CEO. I think most people don’t. And probably most CEOs are douchebags
Not everyone is online as much as we are. Lots of people are utterly unaware that ever happened.
Being unaware doesn’t protect from consequences. Even morally, in a democracy, it’s up to the people to be informed. Buying decisions drive policy. It should worry people that they don’t have the time nor tools to be informed. This alone should start a general strike.
With all the things that are looming, imagine the price you are going to pay because you were not online enough.
Do you know about the personality of each companies CEO you buy something from?
No. That’s why this is important:
What if a person bought a Tesla 10 years ago (before folks knew what an asshole Musk was) to reduce dependence on foreign oil.
Do you think that person deserves to have their car vandalized?
No, but they could have cut their losses by selling when Musk’s character became clear.
Or maybe activist can focus on causing damage to directly to Musk. Like maybe we should all always try to avoid collateral damage when we can.
Not that hard to do.
That’s true but buying a Tesla is honestly a pretty online move.
Valid.
Yeah but I kind of expect every CEO to be on that level of douchebaggery. We wouldn’t be able to buy everything if that’s the bar, because the CEO of every company is on that level.
Also we can’t expect everyone to be aware of that story.
It’s when he bought Twitter and started going on about woke mind virus that he revealed himself as a bigger douche than most CEOs.
Yeah, the twitter debacle fucking broke him I wonder if there’s an alternative timeline where he weaseled out of having to buy it and decided to calm down and shut the fuck up afterwards.
Maybe this is the timeline where he eats enough drugs to explode his own heart on a livestream.
EVERY big company CEO is a piece of shit. They just keep it behind closed doors. Fuckface decided to do it in the open.
You probably own clothes right now made by kids in Pakistan. How would you feel if someone set them on fire while you were wearing them?
You gonna slap the food out of people’s mouths because they shop at Walmart?
Wanna kick some homeless dude for wearing a donated Tesla T-shirt?
At some point you gotta realize everyone is a victim of capitalism and punishing them for being part of the system they’re born into is the opposite of how you get them to look around and wake up.
If they really want catharsis they’d go after Tesla showrooms. Musk actually owns those, so you’ll actually be hurting his bottom line directly, instead of fucking over someone who bought the only car you could even get during the pandemic.
Really, if you’re pissed at him fuck with him, not some random with a car payment who probably hates him as much as you do.
(I really want to say cybertrucks are fair game, but that’s the goblin talking, and you really shouldn’t listen to the goblin. If your goal is accelerationism, then we have nothing to say to each other)
This was important for me to read, thank you.
That was the exact moment I realized what a dickhead he is
Cybertrucks are still an acceptable target. He proved who he was by then.
Agree. Plus they are utterly ridiculous.
Counterpoint: We’ve known how fucked up he is for years. It was just hero worshipping suckers who bought into his bullshit. Anyone with half a brain recognized him for exactly what he always has been.
If him being an asshole is new news to you then you weren’t paying attention.
Lots of people aren’t online as much as you and I are. They might have bought an EV for environmental reasons 10 years ago without even noticing who owned the company.
The huge loss (in sales volume and therefore 2nd hand price) has mainly occurred because Musk is meddling politically.
Shit dropped from drones is just icing on the cake.
I am 100% in support of boycotting Tesla.
Just if someone bought a Tesla as their personal vehicle 10 years ago because they wanted an environmentally friendly car - before we knew what an asshole Musk was - I don’t think they deserve to have their personal property damaged/destroyed.
Sell the car.
At this point they’d get almost nothing for it - certainly not enough to buy a replacement car.
I’m just saying it helps to carefully target the people you actually are trying to hurt. It doesn’t help a movement if they start hurting bystanders.
Musk is the one hurting Tesla owners with his policies. Yes tesla owners are collateral damage, but the US government cares very little about collateral damage.
Agree: Musk is the one hurting Tesla owners
Agree: US Government doesn’t care about collateral damage
I just would encourage folks who want to hurt Musk to focus on action that hurts Musk. Causing collateral damage is not fair or helpful - best to avoid it whenever possible.
I would encourage non violent, non permanent actions. But as long as Musk receives his wealth and power from Tesla, those cars remain legitimate targets.