My company isn’t organizing any off-sites to the US for my remote first company anymore because of this shit lol. I think partially because nobody outside of the US would even go
Easy fix for me I just won’t go.
FWIW the US is claiming that the researcher had confidential information from Los Alamos National Labs against the terms of his NDA. They claim the researcher admitted to taking the information and attempting to conceal it.
I honestly hope this is the explanation. If we’re starting to deny entry to the country simply due to criticisms of domestic policy decisions, we’re going down yet another dark path.
I was at the conference he was supposed to attend - the Lunar and Planetary Science conference. There were a lot of people showing Los Alamos data there.
That doesn’t mean anything, at all. Just because “a lot of people [were] showing Los Alamos data” doesn’t mean all Los Alamos data can be publicized.
Ex: a guy named Robert who led a very particular research effort in New Mexico
How is that a problem when the president is out there storing confidential docs in his golf course, and when they fire off the cybersecurity teams?
Or when private citizens are freely given the details of U.S. plans to respond militarily to China?
Heh, about time to get factory reset on speed dial.
There’s an app for that. Its called ripple.
A little more info please, all I’m finding is info about a money transfer app.
Use F-Droid — the Ripple app that Jagged is referring to has a blue droplet icon.
Add “guardian project” to your qureries
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You know having a freshly wiped phone right before getting searched would make you just as suscious, right. They would assume the worst about you, and either deport, or just detain you to a black site for months. Just use a burner.
“Traveling to the US,” are you actually mad??
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LOL they changed the headlines to “hateful towards U.S. Policy” now? I thought it was “critical of Trump”.
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The issue isn’t your SIM, it’s the contents of your phone. If you just swap SIMs, your phone still has all your data from when you were using your regular SIM.
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Just turn it off before going through Customs.
That’s not some sort of magic spell to protect your data. If boarder agents are asking to see the contents of your phone, they won’t be amused with, “it’s turned off.” The only thing turning your phone off achieves it leaving it encrypted which (among other things) means bio-metrics won’t work. Boarder agents can physically compel a bio-metric unlock. While they can’t force you to type your password, if you don’t comply you’ll almost certainly be banned from the country.
The only time I’ve been forced to turn on my phone/laptop was a layover in the UK.
And I’ve never been forced to show the contents of my devices on dozens and dozens of trips to the States. It doesn’t mean they won’t ask next time.
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What phone unlocks with biometric on startup? I have to input my password any time I restart.
Not sure if I wasn’t clear, but I said:
The only thing turning your phone off achieves it leaving it encrypted which (among other things) means bio-metrics won’t work.
By that I meant on boot your phone is encrypted, and bio-metrics can’t decrypt it, you need the password.
I wonder if making sure your phone is dead would work? Like assuming they’re choosing you randomly to search, they might not want to go through the effort of getting you to charge your phone to search your phone. I’ve never dealt with this situation at all though so I don’t really know.
They image (parts of, I assume) the phone. Cellebrite is a popular tool. “It’s dead” “no problem, here’s a charge cable”.
Brilliant. Sometimes the obvious items we set and forget needs a reminder.
In addition, just generally, stop using biometrics and only use encrypted messaging.
If you’re not using Signal or WIRE for personal texts and FaceTime, you’re doing it wrong. It’s a new era.
If you bring a burner phone and they search it and see nothing on it, they’ll think that suspicious too and might deny entry.
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No explicit source, but it’s common sense and within their abilities, keep in mind recently changed rules around searching in general have changed recently…
Border agent: I’m going to search your phone give me the password.
(eventually you agree because it’s a burner)
You: Here you go
Border agent: There’s nothing on this phone, no email, no pictures, nothing? What are you trying to hide?
You: Well it’s a new phone I just got
Border agent: And you haven’t logged into anything yet?
You: Ya.
Border agent: looks like you’re trying to hide something, this isn’t normal behaviour
You: start looking nervous as the border agent’s tone changes
Border agent: You’re looking a little nervous now, are you hiding something?
You: no, just trying to travel
Border agent: Goes away and talks to someone, then comes back and says, sorry were going to deny you.
They can deny anyone for any reason. It would ultimately come down to how you handle the situation, but DO expect to be grilled about it if you haven’t set it up to look real.
Fill it with Cat photos 😼
It’s not that uncommon for border patrol to go through your phone. I went to Canada 6-7 years ago and they went through my sister’s phone because she told them she wanted to meet a Canadian friend she had made online. Border patrol read their conversations while we waited in a confinement room. It was the last time I went to Canada
So they were trying to keep your sister from being human trafficked and you had a tantrum and refused to come back? Probably not a big loss for Canada.
No I went to Canada and had a great time. Since Canada will search your phone I calmly decided to vacation elsewhere. Really not a big deal.
Good luck finding anywhere else in the world where you aren’t subject to the search of your electronics. Canada appreciates your decision not to visit again.
Subject to and having it happen are different.
Also as a third party observer of this conversation, stop being a dick
I’ve travelled to dozens of countries and the only one where my phone was searched was the US. They searched a sanitized decoy phone. My actual phone was at home safe and sound. I didn’t cross my arms and stomp my feet and say I was never doing back because I’m not a petulant, entitled child. I understand that I am subject to the laws of the country that I’m visiting and go prepared. I think that anyone who swears that they are never going to visit a country that searched their sister’s phone to make sure she wasn’t walking into being human trafficked is someone that we can quite happily do without visiting our country.
If that’s being a dick then I’m a dick.
That’s not what makes you a dick. Your attitude, word choice, and insistence on being right is what’s making you a dick in my eyes.
However I just saw you’re an engineer so I’ll subtract 10 dick points because I know most of y’all can’t even help yourselves from thinking you’re the absolute authority on what’s right and wrong.
Cool. There really isn’t anything there worth seeing except people with beady eyes and flapping heads. Btw your maple syrup is tasteless, overpriced, and something only a douche bag would enjoy.
Don’t keep anything incriminating on your phone, yeah american border guards but also the fucking RCMP likes to grab phones.
Just like going to china.
Ngl China didn’t touch my phone upon entry. Think my iris got scanned though and certainly got full palm printed.
One of the two people I know who have been to china had their phone taken for hours when they arrived. The other person reported much the same experience as you. The friend who had her phone taken was a US citizen but born of Chinese immigrants. The other who didn’t get their phone taken was not. I can’t help but think that her parents status there had something to do with.
Wondering when my publishing record qualifies me for asylum.
Yup. That’s a possibility. I work in security and would tell them it’s just how we do things. If they send me home I will spend the week with my family instead of sitting in stupid training all week.
Travel to the US and it’s your own fault. We have been warned.
My partner is a scientist and has to travel to the US for work later this year. We’re both dreading it, given all these stories of people being detained at the border.
I’m not saying there won’t be financial consequences, but they are well within their right to refuse. I would.
Are they in private or public sector? Because I can’t imagine a university or other government institution continuing to send people to America if hostilities keep increasing over the course of the year.
Don’t.
Be safe.
