nuclear subs always give me gundam carrier ship vibes
Never have I been more pleased to see a foreign navies nuclear attack sub in my nations waters.
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Bonjour!
Hijacking the top comment to let people know this isn’t in response to any American threats, this is Naval Group, a French naval defense company, showing off their submarine because Canada is looking to spend 60 billion on twelve submarines.
Here’s a French news article about it, seeing as I couldn’t seem to find any sources in English.
Naval Group, a French naval defense company
Ah shit, that’s the same company Australia had a deal with to buy diesel subs, before our fuckwit former PM reneged on the deal to create AUKUS and buy American nuclear subs.
Hijacking your commet to add this
I don’t know much about this stuff, but I have been listening to a ton of podcasts about the war, geopoliticks etc.
From what I learned, France and the UK have nukes, but not the type you can launch from a submarine. (Unfortunately)
I had real good tingle feels imagining France showing up on our coast during this part of history.
A real “we got you bro” moment in my imagination.Le sad.
I’ll take both reasons as canon, thank you very much
I’ll take both reasons as cannon, thank you very much
FTFY
without cannons, how will they fight?!?
Weird that they specify “conventionally powered” in the Canadian article since this is a nuclear powered sub.
I’m pretty sure that’s a Suffren class, and there’s both diesel and nuclear powered versions. Dunno how I’d tell from the outside, and don’t think the caption is necessarily all that trustworthy.
I don’t know if that’s a mistake. It might not be a nuclear sub, just a sub which has nuclear weapons capabilities ( though obviously not this particular sub because it’s still in the hands of a defence contractor ( I hope ) ).
The scale of these things is always fascinating. They’re always much larger than I think they are.
For reference, I think that’s a Suffern class, making it just shy of 100m, or a tad longer than a football field for my fellow Americans.
perchance, banana for scale?
It’s a football field, Micheal. How big could it be, a banana?
It’s there, but hard to see.
Whollottabanana!
Canadian football fields are 100m, so just the right size for us!
CFL fields are 110 yards, which is about 100m. Close enough I guess :)
The previously-mentioned French article says it’s a Barracuda, but I don’t know if that’s a model or a class.
And unsurprisingly, he also decided to offer the Royal Canadian Navy its “premium” model, the Barracuda, rather than the Scorpène.
The Barracuda is (apparently) an export variant of the Suffren and is indeed a little shorter but still over 300 ft long.
France manages to get a sub to us before the UK even deigns to comment. That says it all. Merci beacoup!
Well done on falling for the propaganda
Propaganda to do better for our country is needed at this point. Trade wars are a’comin, best to have a large movement to weather the storm.
And unfortunately might only be a few winners, https://youtu.be/oYUI4hu950w
You are an idiot. The sub was scheduled for a visit,months in the making. There was no show of ‘force’. Maybe take your feet out of your mouth.
“Bring it” - France probably
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But I’m le tired…
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Could have imagined this happening as little as 3 years ago.
An ally sending a nuclear deterrent into our waters as a message/warning to the US. This normally happens to countries like Iran or North Korea
Still hasn’t happened. This was a sales pitch for a Canadian defence contract.
Hey. Guess what? At the moment, we’re the bad guys…
At the moment? When was there ever a time the US weren’t the bad guys?
I kinda root for them in the war of independence
Briefly the us was the good guys when we killed a bunch of slavers and then when we killed a bunch of fascists. Those were exceptions to the rule though.
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They were clearly talking about the Union during the Civil War…
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What’s the relevance of the founding fathers, then?
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They also killed the Nazis, except for the ones that were useful, of course.
Pretty much all Western countries looked up to the US between 1945 and 2016 (or so).
Presumably, you’re the kind of person who thinks we’ve all been the bad guys the whole time, though. And TBF shit things were done, it’s just that everyone else has been even more shit.
Pretty much all Western countries looked up to the US between 1945 and 2016 (or so).
Are you sure about that? ‘Pretty much all Western countries’ see America as a convenient bully.
As a Westerner not from America (like most of the users in this community), yes, I am sure about that. I didn’t say it was a relationship without conflict, but they helped defeat the Nazis, lead the charge in the Cold War and then were the fulcrum of the new trade-focused world order in the so-called “end of history” period that followed. We all watched American movies the whole time and it’s not because anyone was forcing us.
They only joined WW2 when the Nazis where pretty much defeated by the rest of the allies and success was guaranteed. Only to invent themselves as the sole winner of the war. During the Cold war they fought hot proxy wars all over the place without any interest in casualties as long as they didn’t look weak for the soviets. Even after the Cold war western countries were only lucky that the US didn’t invade them for oil or other interests. They brought “freedom” to so many countries by now it became a fucking meme. Sure I’m seeing things a bit narrow and I might be biased but the US is and was a shithole that fucked up everyone around them as long as I can think of. The only reason they could do it is because they would crush you if you tried stopping them or it was useful to you because you weren’t the current victim. As you put it so nicely, the convenient bully.
Yup
To be accurate, this is a nuclear propelled attack submarine. It does not carry nuclear warheads and is not what we normally call a “nuclear deterrent”.
I believe you, but do you have a source? That’s a pretty big distinction when you’re calling it a “nuclear attack submarine”!
I used to look for submarines for a living. But you don’t have to believe me:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_submarine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_submarine
Thanks for the info. I’m curious if you have more details on what that job was (if you’re able to share)! Why did you move on from it?
My current job is to operate electronic sensors on board of an aircraft. I used to work with anti-submarine helicopters. The kind of helicopters that usually operate from a military ship. Now I’ve been moved to work on a search and rescue aircraft. It’s a nice change to be looking for people who actually want to be found.
It’s a French sub though so it probably only fires gag missiles that just have a white flag on a stick at the tip.
Jokes aside can you smoke on a sub? Cause I know a lot of the French still habitually smoke cigarettes and I imagine that would do a number on the oxygen system. Let alone the dangers of possibly setting fires in a pressurized container deep underwater.
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Sure. Who do you want me to sterotype or make fun of?
Wild comment
Nobodys got a sense of humor anymore it seems.
In this day and age, who can afford one?
What was supposed to be funny
Evidently
This isn’t a show of force, it’s a demonstration for Canada who is planning to buy a number of these submarines from France.
What’s the point of these submarines if there aren’t nukes on them?
There’s a dismantled trebuchet on board.
To shoot at the ones with nukes on them?
to demonstrate (politely) how quickly and quietly they can appear when we need them to. without endangering anyone or raising alarms that allow trump and co to rattle their sabers
i like it, we should be like - “maybe we have nukes, maybe we dont. you wont know until its too late”
Fake
Lamp Oil, Rope, Nuclear Subs? You want it? It’s yours, my friend. As looong as you have enough Euros.
Khajit has wares, if you have coin.
Also a great and well deserved middle finger to Australia
Regardless, it’s presence makes a statement that Canada is not alone.
Though I’d be cool if it was stationed at Miquelon for a few months.
I mean, they’re not mutually exclusive. Nobody was about to start openly threatening the Americans, but having French forces around and mulling over defence deals with France sends a signal.
We don’t know what Macron and Trudeau talked about, but accelerating things like this in light of the new reality could well have been part of it.
Australia watching on with regret.
right?! gawwwwwwd we’re so fucking captured
Morrison is such a dickhead.
We knew that BEFORE the election and yet elected the LNP anyway, fuck voters.
Could be worse, you could be a murican ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Morrison knew what he was doing, the sub deal was to poison the chalice before Labor gained the majority.
Unfortunately for the walking sack of salmonella and shitty curry, his wrangler (Murdoch) managed to sway the election enough to get the LNP back in power.
I have actually met Morrison in person once (friends of friends of friends) and he is a fucking moron but JFC he’s at least a brain cell or two ahead of Dutton
I dunno … Dutton seems smarter, but more evil. Morrison just seems like a brainwashed idiot who’s failed upwards. I don’t know how anyone looks at the screaming void of evil that is Dutton and thinks “yeah that thing has my best interests at heart … or a heart”
They’re just two different flavours of evil, Morrison is a happy clapper pentecostalist “God favours the rich” evil and Dutton is an ex-corrupt cop who wants authoritarianism under his rule evil.
They both don’t have the critical thinking to realise the damage they do or why men like them shouldn’t hold positions of power, but Dutton following right out of Trumps playbook despite international backlash is a pretty good case for dumb-as-fuck syndrome.
But I agree, it’s absurd that we have these stooges running for parliament I don’t know how we got here…
I’m still not entirely sure how Australia seemingly wound up with a modified Westminster system that was worse than the original, genuinely pretty impressive.
The only reason it’s worse is because we have a strong Murdoch media bias, so the general public are pretty ill-informed. With everyone being fed bullshit so often it’s easy to get them to vote against their best interests.
Arguably at least we have proportional representation. FPTP sucks.
at least we have proportional representation
Only in the Senate. And only on a per-state basis, so it’s only as proportional as “a proportion of 6” can be…which is much less proportional than a proportion of 40, like if the Senate were done nationally.
You’re right, thanks for adding context. I’m immediately suspicious when a picture is posted with no accompanying news article, and my search wasn’t turning up any articles, only social media links.
Article is about selling nuclear powered subs. Canada doesn’t need these boondoggles for defense against US, because the mission capability is being months at sea.
They don’t need attack subs. They need boomer subs. At this point, Canada needs a nuclear deterrent. And I say that as an American who would be in the cross hairs of said nuclear deterrent. Canada should contract with the French for protection under their umbrella until they can build some of their own. The lesson of Ukraine should be that nukes protect small nations from fascist larger ones. Canada could easily end up like Ukraine. It’s not like fascists can’t find a casus belli. Putin was “restoring Russian glory” or some such. Trump would be “finishing the American Revolution” or some other bullshit.
Please, Canada, from a friend of yours to the south, do not take this threat lightly. No one is going to be able to save you if the US decides to invade. The same oceans that protect you will prevent your rescue. The only hope Canada will ever have of being able to militarily protect its borders from the US is a credible nuclear deterrent.
Just please, don’t harden your hearts while you build these weapons of destruction. Don’t close your doors to refugees from the US. As someone who is on the regime’s enemies list, hopping across the Canadian border and begging for asylum is the last chance I might have if things really go bad.
Instead of putting all eggs in France basket, Canada should also approach North Korea, China, and Russia for detente and nuclear deterrence. Flirting with North Korea is best path to get SK and Japan to commit to our auto industry, and decouple from their own US extortion. Taking bids for Russia to take over NORAD sites is more constructive than continuing military cooperation, and shamefully subservient to US defense pacts with Philippines. If Russia is no longer the enemy the US forces us to make, then we are protecting the US from Russia, and they need to pay for that privilege.
US and foreign auto industry must be forced to choose Canada over US. US manufacturing destroyed through export tariffs on materials and energy, and proceeds used to subsidize Canadian manufacturing. Manufacturing/MSFT in Washington and Michigan states must recommend secession and joining Canada, and be covered by our nuclear shields.
Yes, this old news is about a nuclear-powered attack submarine, not necessarily a submarine that can nuclear-attack.
IIRC only 2 out of the 9 french subs in service exclusively carry torpedoes and anti-ship missiles (Rubis class). I’m sure the 3 Suffren class with no second strike capabilities could still deliver some sort of short ranged tac nuke. So there are high chances that this is a submarine that can nuclear-attack.
France hasn’t had tactical nukes for some time now
During a period with seemingly very little good news in the world, I really needed this. Assuming it was done for the optics it conveys, it’s some much needed reassurance that our allies actually have our back. Granted, we’re still absolutely fucked in the short term if the worst happens, it’s still nice to see.
Don’t tease me!
NOBODY backs an American Revolution like the French!
🇫🇷🦅🎆
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Thank you France. You will forever get my family’s commitment to tourism. I look forward to visiting every year. 🇨🇦❤️🇫🇷
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Source?
Here’s a French article about it. It’s not a show of force, it’s a naval defense company showing off their submarine in the hopes of being granted a 60 billion dollar contract for 12 submarines that the Canadian government announced last summer.
I’m going to guess a shipyard
France
Current timeline feels like one alternative Red Alert timeline, where alongside of Hitler, Stalin also got erased from history, and now Russia and the US have turned fascistic.
Red Alert has predicted the future, the presedency of the US is controlled by a russian
And Putin didn’t even need Yuri to do it
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US citizen here. I have become such a huge fan of France.
Same. Also once you know and understand France’s history and military…. You just don’t fuck with them.
