• LandedGentry@lemmy.zip
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    4 hours ago

    …what? I’m saying they can always help it, they can always not go somewhere that expects tips. But if you would like to go somewhere that expects tips, you better fucking tip. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Don’t want to support that system? Don’t participate in it at all. Don’t just not participate in the part that costs you money. I don’t get why you’re lecturing me as if I defend tipping as a system.

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      But you are defending the system. You’re literally saying if you end up in a place that expects tipping then you should tip. What if you’re going out with a group and that group decides to go somewhere that expects tipping? Are you supposed to remove yourself from the group so you wouldn’t go into a place like that?

      You can’t take this black and white stance where if you end up participating in this system you also have to perpetuate that system. Making the customer feel like they’re responsible for the livelihood of the staff is how this tipping culture is kept alive and that is exactly what you’re doing right now. You’re trying to claim we are responsible for their livelihood simply because we stepped into the restaurant and ate.

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        2 hours ago

        Show me exactly where I defended the system. Show me a single line.

        I said if you don’t want tipping to continue, you can’t support restaurants that tip. If you go to a restaurant that expects tips and you don’t tip, you are keeping them in business while screwing over the person working. It is the worst of all worlds. In that scenario you are perpetuating the system by participating in it. It’s a choice.

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          Show me exactly where I defended the system. Show me a single line.

          You’re just leaving yourself a convenient back door to not tip while benefitting from tipping culture.

          Trying to guilt people into tipping

          But if you would like to go somewhere that expects tips, you better fucking tip

          Literally telling people to tip.

          If you go to a restaurant that expects tips and you don’t tip, you are keeping them in business while screwing over the person working.

          If nobody tipped at those restaurants nobody would work at those restaurants and those restaurants would have to either start paying livable wage or go out of business.

          I said if you don’t want tipping to continue, you can’t support restaurants that tip.

          And I agree. I avoid going to such restaurants if given a chance. But if circumstances require going to such a restaurant do you really think tipping at that restaurant is less beneficial to the restaurant than not tipping?

          In that scenario you are perpetuating the system by participating in it. It’s a choice.

          If circumstances force me to participate then I should go all the way? Is that what you’re saying? So if a vegan orders a plate that happens to have meat in it then the vegan should eat that meat? After-all they’ve already participated by ordering something with meat.

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            If

            If

            If.

            I said “if” several times. The point is if you don’t want to tip or support tipping culture, don’t go somewhere that expects tips. So I’m saying “do not go somewhere that expects tips,” because I am against tipping as a system. I have been clear this entire time. I am not guilting people into tipping, I’m saying do not go somewhere where you’re supposed to tip and not tip or you’re even worse than the problem. If you do, you need to tip. But don’t go if you care about ending tipping culture.

            I know you understand exactly what I am saying. Why are you so fragrantly misrepresenting me? Stop lying.