• What’s the justification for not allowing me to make a copy? Those who decry piracy call it theft, but it’s not theft since they aren’t losing anything. Not a physical product they could run out of, nor a potential sale as has been shown time and time again; people who pirate a thing generally wouldn’t have purchased the thing anyway.

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    I want the stuff, the stuff is there. I take it. The stuff is still there, nothing was lost, nothing was stolen.

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      You’re not stealing stuff, you’re stealing revenue. The missing revenue is what they care about. But they have plenty of that already, so they can get bent

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        Stealing revenue it’s hypothetical, because it supposes that you were going to pay for the product if it wasn’t available pirated. And that is far from being certain.

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          That is very true, but that doesn’t stop them from going after piracy to protect the revenue

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        Not really, it’s just free publicity.

        Unless their product is shit, of course, and no one would pay for it after trying or recommend it to others… in which case, fuck them, they deserve it for attempting to sell shit.

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    There nothing to jusfity.

    I pirate because I want to see the world burn, among other things.

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      I do it because it’s easy and it’s free but if it was difficult i’d probably still do it.

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        If needed, I’d pay for debrid/vpn much more than I’d pay for some ‘legit’ streaming service, just out of spite.

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      Corpos are not people, they deserve nothing, they are entitled to nothing.

      I don’t care what the government has to say on this issue. Useless fucking whores.

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      We reject the premise of the question: the onus sits with copyright holders to justify copyright protection.

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    Honestly, I don’t have any issue using a pirated software for my own personal use.

    I put the line where you use the software to make money.

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      Even then, I have no problem with self-employed people using it to make money. But if a corporation you work for does it: snitch and get that BSA payday.

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      This is as flippant and useless as somebody saying “well just don’t participate in capitalism“ as if that’s a reasonable thing to suggest

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        No, but saying to participate and that purchasing software is inherently moral is also fallacious.

        Developers, musicians, creatives, actors etc all need to be paid to live in society. However, the current system rewards the lucky few and large corporations as well as the non creative side of media and software creation.

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          there’s nothing stopping you from donating money to artists you torrent.

          I think that’s a bad argument but frankly it slots in with yours

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            No, but that’s the case with or without piracy. Artists and devs shouldn’t rely on goodwill. That’s just expanding the tips system which is already awful.

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              Sounds like a lot of really convenient excuses for you to never have to open your wallet and get free shit all while doing nothing to end these systems.

              Must be pretty convenient so easily justifying giving artists money as immoral.

              Why don’t you just say you like not paying for things and you feel entitled to them? Skip all the extra steps

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                No, I’m not saying artist money is any more immoral than any other purchase. I’m also saying artists should not depend on donations only. I also did not say I exclusively pirate. Don’t put words in my mouth.

                I’m saying the current system is broken. Replacing it with tips is not the solution. Transport and creative industries will see huge lay offs in the coming years. We need to decide as a society what we value. Is it creating art and pleasure or lines going up on company spreadsheets. Free spread of ideas and art is an ideology. The only reason not to allow it is to profit. Those profits don’t go to most artists.

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                  You’re still not saying how you plan on paying for anything or otherwise supporting artists. Or what you’re doing to end these systems. What are you doing other than making up excuses for your entitlement?

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      No unless you lack self respect

      Corporate is your enemy and paying them money is funding your own oppression

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    Huh. Based on the community this was posted in, I can assume that the answer the video comes to is “yes” and not watch it. But according to Betteridge’s law of headlines the answer is “no.” I need to argue about this without watching it but I don’t know what stance to argue about.

    Ah! I’ll use the Orbit plugin to get an AI to summarize the video for me. Hm. The AI-generated summary says the video describes an anecdote about music copyright violations, talks about some ethical considerations about both music and software piracy, and then:

    The speaker concludes by acknowledging the complexity of the issue and the importance of considering the perspectives of all parties involved.

    So I guess the answer was “Maybe?” How am I supposed to have a pointless Internet argument about “Maybe?”

    Bah. Someone attack me for using AI, at least that’s a debate I can sink my teeth into.

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      Lazy prick! Should have just put the video on in the background while doing dishes, or do what I did and briefly skim the comments for someone to fight with! AI is dumb, it’s not even named effectively and you’re dumb for using it and a sheeple for calling it AI in the first place!
      Fight me! ❤️

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        Joke’s on you, I have a dishwasher machine! Robots do my dishes for me too! It is you who is the dumb one, having to labor manually as you do!

        Ah, there we go. Thanks.

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    Yeah.

    For example, does Microsoft deserve my money for how much of a dumping they’ve taken onto Windows since Windows 8? No, they don’t.

    Because if I did give Microsoft my money, I’m REWARDING them for their half-assery.

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      I am pro-piracy and I actually think that’s clearly a worse question.

      Did you take something that was intended to be sold or only given with explicit permission without permission or payment? Yes? Piracy. To be clear this is completely separate from the ethical questions that surround that, but defining piracy is (generally. GENERALLY, for emphasis) not that difficult.

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    if they put in DRM that makes the plugins 10x as big (looking at you, Acustica. I don’t even use their plugins because of that), or they make the legit version have some bullshit always-online “all-in-one” software (i.e Native Access) which in turn makes the software a bit of a faff to get working in Linux (to install legit libraries for legit kontakt, native access stores those libraries as .iso files and does some virtual drive fuckery a la DAMEONTools), then yes, if the pirated version is quicker to set up and run (and install libraries for), it is justified imo.

    Also i hate theaters and streaming services. I’d rather watch whatever movie I think is cool in the comfort of my PC rather than having to drive to the theater (if it’s even on there in the first place), or paying for 9000 streaming services now and only watch like a couple of things. The wait for a good webrip (even more so for a BluRay) is worth it.