• Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
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    This man is responsible for the nightmare that is my life.

    Fuck going back in time to kill Hitler, if I ever get into a DeLorean or a phone booth, I’m coming for that ass Reagan! THIS ONE’S GONNA BE FOR FREDDIE MERCURY!

    Edit: Just got back, I think I got the wrong year or something, missed my shot too. Feds tried to stop me from getting back to the car, I got them to go bother some dickhead who wouldn’t shut up about some Crazy Taxi movie or whatever the hell he was talking about. Can’t try again for awhile, DeLorean’s out of plutonium.

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      If I could go back in time and kill three people from history, I’d kill Reagan three times.

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            Mmm… Fried man. salivating

            Sorry I’ve been in the mood to eat rich powerful people lately… Was he one?

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              In 1971 he explicitly told all of the business world (with help from the Business Roundtable) that the only social responsibility of businesses is to increase profits. This set the course of acceptable practices for 50 years, until the Business Roundtable reversed their decision in 2019, to include stakeholders. Of course, the damage and cultural shift had already been done.

              1976 he was awarded the fake Nobel prize they invented for Economics.

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                Might as well give Trump a prize for Humility… Jesus Christ, how can America be a “Christian Nation” if it believes the only Virtue we need is greed?

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                  I think a lot of self professed Christians just believe in Jesus as if he’s the adult version of Santa claus and a magical genie who grants wishes if you pray hard enough

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        Come on. You wouldn’t use one of those tokens to stop by east Germany and wax Putin in the KGB? You wouldn’t even need to change years to get Reagan and Putin in the same trip

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        Also kill Nancy Reagan. Pretty sure that succubus would have had a negative impact on people with HIV even if she wasn’t First Lady. The blowjob queen probably would have used her influence on Hollywood elites to create a hate campaign against the people with HIV

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    Infographic is correct, though it left out how he destroyed labor unions and a bunch of other stuff, but you can only fit so much in there. Reagan and his despicable cohorts like Gingrich were the beginning of the end for not just the ability to reach the middle class, but indeed for the middle class itself in this country (as his contemporary partner in crime, Thatcher was for the UK).

    It was an absolute tragedy. If Trump wasn’t coming back in, Reagan would still hold the top rank in amount of devastation caused, but I’m pretty sure Trump will manage to surpass him on that front in his second term.

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        The bad news is Ronnie was also senile and the people surrounding him still managed to cause generational harm.

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    The continued idolization of Reaganomics is a huge reason why the US continues to enshittify.

    Maybe there shouldn’t be such a focus on cults of personality and electing celebrities. Imagine qualified people being in office.

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        No idea. It’s not something I would know enough about. Maybe something that is highly subsidized on a sliding scale so that everyone has access but government can’t start controlling the customer too much.

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    Fascists don’t actually care about anything other than attacking the poor, minorities, women, etc.

    Reagan was “great” for that.

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    First president I ever became aware of. Fuck him and everything to do with him.

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    Reagan was one of the worst things to happen to the US. Maybe we should just stop electing shitty actors to do a difficult job.

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      OTOH, some actors have done pretty good jobs as politicians. Schwarzenegger–a GOP governor that actually listened to people!–Jesse Ventura (not a great governor, TBH, but decent), and Al Franken are examples of actors that ended up being pretty solid politicians. Ideally, a good politician is someone that has connections to people that understand good public policy, and can then communicate that effectively to the public in order to lead well.

      The problem with Reagan isn’t the acting per se, but that he was an awful person, and so good at connecting with people that a lot of people couldn’t see his rotten core.

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        When he was younger maybe but as he got older reagen needed teleprompter for virtually everything. He had lost his ability to speak off the cuff as his alzheimers progressed

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        I should’ve emphasized “shitty”. Have we had a terrible actor that’s a good politician yet (genuinely don’t know)? I want to believe that being a good actor requires some measure of empathy, so it’s not surprising that reagan and the current pissy creamsicle were hacks.

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          We’ve had terrible politicians who were even worse actors if that counts. I’m thinking of “B-1” Bob Dornan to be specific.

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      Reagan was one of the worst things to happen to the US.

      100% agree

      Maybe we should just stop electing shitty actors to do a difficult job.

      I’d argue the opposite on that tho.

      We kept hearing with Biden that a president can’t do much, it’s all Congress.

      So why are we running career politicians when the majority of America hates politicians? Why did we just one an ex-prosecuter when most Dem voters hate our justice system?

      Like, we can at least halfway it with someone like Al Franken, someone that started out somewhere else then switched to politics. But why not just say fuck it and run Taylor Swift for president? Count on her carrying the entire down ballot and getting dual majorities and she just has to not veto what lands on her desk.

      Either the president doesn’t really do anything and is just a figurehead or it has to be someone with decades of government experience.

      It can’t be both.

      But there’s certainly no reason to keep picking people with zero charisma for what’s basically a convoluted popularity contest. Even foreign relations, I guarantee foreign leaders would give Brad Pitt a better deal than Joe Biden. They’re not getting down into the nitty gritty, the drones work out the details anyways.

      Obama and Bill won off their charisma above all. Biden as well was incredibly charismatic back in the day, it’s just as came out recently, his health had been an issue basically the entire term. I’m not saying this as a dig, but he is a shell of his former self. 40 years ago he was considered the best public speaker of his generation.

      As much as I want a progressive and think they’d win on policy, what matters before the platform is charisma and we need to admit that.

      It’s insane we didn’t learn it after Al Gore, but clearly the DNC didnt.

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        Either the president doesn’t really do anything and is just a figurehead or it has to be someone with decades of government experience. It can’t be both.

        The lack of understanding is simply astounding, all for mental gymnastics.

        The president has to do a ton to navigate the political mess, negotiate with others, and press the issues they want with both their party and with the other party. That does NOT mean they are a king that just gives orders. Ultimately the bill has to be written and passed by Congress, so the president has to use their words (not their power, because that’s not how it works) to convince others to do it.

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        As popular as it is to hate “career politicians“ I actually completely disagree with that concept. Most career politicians are fine and will do a competent job given the chance.

        I don’t want someone who promises me Mars and then spends 4 years figuring out the job and covering their ass. I want somebody who will get a rocket up in the air at all to start so we can build on it.

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          “Most career politicians are fine and will do a competent job given the chance” only concerned with keeping their position.

          This may be ego, greed, self preservation, or most likely a combination. On the Dem side I’ll pick Pelosi and Schumer as examples. Each thinks they are the best for the position, each has become rich, each continues to make deals to keep their position.

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          It doesn’t matter how good you are at a job if you can’t get hired.

          The most important quality of any presidential candidate is being able to win a convoluted popularity contest.

          So we need to look at people that fit that criteria, then find a good candidate. Not find someone who would be a good president, that’s the easy part, there’s a shit ton of people who could be a good president like Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho, he didn’t have to be smart, just be popular and listen to a smart guy who told him what to do.

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            Most career politicians are actually not as dependent on the popularity contest as presidential candidates.

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              Exactly.

              They do not have the experience or necessarily even the qualities required to win a popularity contest on that scale.

              So I’m saying we find an empty suit that is good at winning popularity contests then listen to the party leaders in the House and Senate, since they’re the ones with decades of political experience, and I was about to write “and they write the laws” then remembered it’s mostly lobbyists and think-tank employees these days writing legislation.

              But that’s a whole nother issue.

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                I’m not sure I agree with the strategy because that’s kind of what Trump is and it has not led to the Republican Congresses somehow being more effective

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                  We can worry about that once we can consistently keep Republicans out of the White house

                  For the past 3 elections we’ve been told that’s all that matters and we’re 1/3

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                  But it has led to Republican voters getting what they wanted. Roe v Wade is no more. We’re getting tariffs that career politicians know are harmful.

                  So a leftist equivalent would support Medicare For All, which is very popular with the public but unpopular with career politicians.

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            Yes, an apartheid white overlord is what we need. This blows my mind. I just argued with a relative over Christmas who thinks he’s super cool. MAGA of course.

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        We kept hearing with Biden that a president can’t do much, it’s all Congress.

        Keep in mind that while the president can’t do a lot of things unilaterally, there are a lot of things he can do to block, delay, and disrupt. Biden’s plans were mostly creating new things, which takes Congress. Trump just wants to destroy. It’s always easier to destroy than build.

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          Very true and right alongside “a lie makes it halfway around the world before the truth gets its shoes on”.

          It’s so fucking depressing. Makes me want to give up on cold, dark, rainy days when I’m alone like today.

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      Reagan (or more specifically Michael Deaver) taught us that propaganda works incredibly well, almost every time.

      Most of us didn’t learn it though. And here we are.

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        Reagan (or more specifically Michael Deaver) taught us that propaganda works incredibly well, almost every time.

        Hitler (and many mfers before him) already taught that lesson, people fall for it every, single, time.

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      Reagan was a shitty actor with a good persona and voice. He was simply hired to act as POTUS, reading the script written by American billionaires.

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      I genuinely wish we were in the timeline where the worst thing he ever did was Bedtime for Bonzo. The fact that people worship this ass clown.

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    And even after 25 years, the Democrats have done shit to undo the damage Reagan started, they are either complicit or impotent.

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      Republicans have controlled the budget through the house of representatives for 18 of the last 25 years. Can’t pass any kind of programs if the branch in charge of funding anything doesn’t fund the programs.

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        I know, but… remember last month how basically the entire country agreed that the health industry was terrible and needed to be reformed? And remember how the Democrats did absolutely nothing, despite still controlling the presidency and the senate?

        Even if they couldn’t pass a program, they still could have controlled the narrative and set expectations and made demands for the start of the upcoming Trump presidency. Instead they just let the opportunity pass.

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          And a few weeks ago Republicans almost tanked a spending bill because daddy musk and trump wanted a shutdown to happen during Biden’s term.

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    The working class and thus the creation of the middle class was subsidized by our government from FDR up until Reagan. The 1950s wealth and family focus BOOM was a result of this subsidization that began with FDR. It is why everyone (white and male) owned a house, a car, and had a job.

    We are living the end result of the Reagan experiment, the flip from subsidizing the working class and thus subsidizing the creation of a middle class, which does not happen organically in capitalism, to the subsidization of corporate and the top 1% instead. The claim was it would be more efficient to subsidize corporate and simply have the wealth trickle down through the rest of the economy.

    This, right now, is how trickle down pans out after the 40yr experiment. We’ve equalized woman and non white people under the law, great, but did it in a time without subsidy. So now we are all equally shit upon, barring some holdover family accumulations dating back to the 50s.

    And now, drum roll, we’ve elected President Musk, the grand winner of said 40yr subsidization experiment, the ultimate welfare queen, to decide our working class government efficiency going forward.

    I wonder how that will work for working class going forward?

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    The most prosperous decade of the 20th century was the 1950s.

    The top tier tax rate in 1950 was 84%, and that was the lowest it would be until 1964. The rest of the 1950s were at 91%-92%.

    The important thing to remember is that nobody ever paid the top-tier tax rate. Instead, they spent their income. When they found themselves $10,000 over the line in 1955, and about to pay $9100 to Uncle Sam, they said “Hold up. Let’s spend $10000 on something useful and deduct it as a business expense”.

    That spending turned into paychecks for the workers who produced the purchased item.

    $10,000 over the line in 1988 meant they got to put $7,200 into their stock portfolio, send $2,800 to Uncle Sam, and the worker is laid off because they had no incentive to actually spend their excess income.