Jfc, they’re USA citizens. Ffs.
Are they? Are they really? Puerto Rico still isn’t allowed to be it’s own state
What a weird place this instance is.
The explanation for those not in the know.Puerto Ricans are USA citizens they can vote for president but They can not vote on the president from Puerto Rico. They are natural born US citizens can’t vote for president in the place of their birth. This is because of many reasons.
So they have to move and become residents of not Puerto Rico, but a different state, to vote for president.
So they do not have the same rights as other US citizens because of where they live. This is unique in the united states.
I mean, it’s not because they’re Puerto Rican, it’s because they live in Puerto Rico. Someone from Iowa who moved to Puerto Rico would also not get a vote.
This is because our system allocates votes to land, not people.
US citizens don’t get to vote for president. They get to vote for who their place of residence votes for.Up until the 60s, people in DC also didn’t get a vote, because by default only states get a vote, and it’s explicitly not a state.
What a weird place this instance is.
implying that there are instances that aren’t like this
Puerto Rican statehood is more complicated than that. Becoming a state is a contentious issue even amongst Puerto Ricans.
Is it?
I had friends there for a long time, they all basically either wanted the US out or had it be a US state, anything but this in between nothing that they’re in now
Yes it is. There is another referendum on statehood this year, but in 2020, the vote was only marginally higher in favor of it than against.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Puerto_Rican_status_referendum
A 2019 Gallup poll found 83% of Democrats in the US, but only 35% of Republicans, supported Puerto Rican statehood. A 2020 survey by International Policy Digest found that “The majority of Democrats showed support for statehood for both D.C. (61.8%) and Puerto Rico (69.7%)” while among Republicans, only 26.7% supported D.C. statehood and 34.8% supported Puerto Rican statehood.
That speaks volumes.
This was like 4th grade shit for me my man.
Are they? Are they really?
Yes they really are. They are U.S. citizens who are disenfranchised based on location.
Yeah, maybe it wasn’t entirely clear there but I was trying to say that they were treated as second class citizens that can pay taxes but can’t vote becit of where they live
You do know that has nothing to do with being of Puerto Rican ethnicity, right? It has to do with living on Puerto Rico. You can be a citizen of Indonesian descent who lives on Puerto Rico and you still can’t vote for president. But that person, and all of the other U.S. citizens making up the population of Puerto Rico can just hop on a plane or a boat and come to the continental U.S. (or even Hawaii or Alaska), no passport needed, move there without any immigration issues, and vote in the next presidential election.
It doesn’t matter what your ethnicity is.
You also can’t vote for president if you live on American Samoa or Guam.
I thought that was what I said, but having said that, does any of that make sense to you?Puerto Rico is US territory, you should be able to vote. Same for Samoa and other territories
They are still U S. citizens, just not citizens of any state. Same thing can happen if you are born in DC or a military base not in a state.
American Samoans are the ones that really get screwed. They are just U S. nationals. All the responsibilities of citizens (including the draft when it exists) but not all of the benefits.
It was kind of my point that they were treated as second class citizens, like Samoans, just because of where they were born. Puerto Rico should be it’s own state already
I think maybe the text of your post did not convey that sentiment, particularly given the reliability of Poe’s Law. Perhaps in the future, you might include a visible indicator that you are using satire?
This was such a weird choice, when the GOP was already getting more Latino support than previously… Wouldn’t they want to court these people? Why would they straight up insult an entire voting bloc (one that experts have said could decide the outcome) this close to an election??
I know it’s most likely just racism and stupidity, but I couldn’t help but think that this dude did this on purpose to get less people to vote Republican? I mean, why else would they do this?
I previously knew this dude from his name, as the guy who writes most people’s (particularly non-comedians) insult jokes at Roasts. I’m kind of surprised (but not really, I believe he hangs/hung around Rogan) he’s a Trump supporter given the type of material he’s written in the past.
I’m not a fan of Roasts, but I’m pretty sure this dude was supposed to be considered like the best at that. At least previously.
Maybe someone who knows more about this guy can weigh in on it. It’s probably just racism if I’m being real.
All humans are trash. There’s this misconception that poor people are better humans. They’re not, they’re just powerless.
In this case, if you take a person with almost nothing and tell them some with less is going to take what they have…
This changes nothing. Not a single Trump voter changed their minds. The Trump Puerto Ricans agree with this. They just think it’s the ‘others’ fault.
This may even get them TO vote since someone sees the ‘problems’ they live with. This is how EVERY group that votes Trump against their own interest feel.
spoiler
They 100% don’t know they are included with the ‘problem’
VOTE
After the 2012 loss to Obama, the RNC commissioned an investigation into what they could do better. It said, effectively, stop being racist, embrace immigrants, and ease off on abortion.
They promptly threw it in the garbage.
He probably doesn’t know that Puerto Ricans can vote in US elections.
And a lot of them have moved to one of the 50 states.
all the retarded takes in this post is the reason many have come to hate lemmy. you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?
What’s the joke?
According to the modlog, they posted
“all the [r-slur] takes in this post is the reason many have come to hate lemmy. you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?”
Yeah, that’s great. What’s the point of the moderator removing a comment if somebody like you is going to come along and repost it?
What’s the point of having a modlog that allows anyone to publicly see the comment that was removed?
The purpose was to show that they weren’t making some off-colored joke, as some suggested, but rather making a hateful statement in general. It was removed for violating rule 5. I censored out the slur, so if the mods want to remove my comment, they will. Feel free to ask them to do so.
I would like to know that. I would also like to know what the joke the same fuck told at the same event about black people carving Jack-o-Lanterns out of watermelons was.
I hope @[email protected] can enlighten us as to what both jokes are.
According to the modlog, his comment was about how “all the r-slur takes in this thread are why many people hate lemmy, and you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?”
Hm. Doesn’t sound like much of a joke to me.
I think the joke was “I hate minorities, this is my unironic view! Race war now, if it aint white it’s not right, white power!” which, is about as funny as a child with terminal illness, which is to say… Not very funny at all, and is in fact quite a serious matter that should be taken as such.
Isn’t even an original joke, the meme of trash island in the Atlantic is old as hell, Google “England” for more information.
Folks in Puerto Rico when they’re admitted as a state: “he tells it like it is.”
502 Bad Gateway…
Racists can not help themselves. If there’s a MAGAt in your life, I can pretty much guarantee they’ll say some hateful shit at some point…
MAGA maggot lmao
I used to know someone who is half Puerto Rican, her dad is a marine, her mom is full PR. And they are ALL hardcore right wingers.
Even they wouldn’t switch votes after this.
“Surely he didn’t mean me, he meant those other sons of bitches who happen to look like me.” - Idiots practicing idiot logic.
“Must have confused us with Mexicans again. Damn Mexicans!”
Because Puerto Ricans can’t vote, right ?
Taxation without representation? There should be a thing about that
But… PR is part of the US and is a wonderful place full of kind people. I spent one of the best vacations of my life there going all the way around the island (and Culebra!) and it was nothing but gorgeous views, great food, friendly people (it does help to speak Spanish so you understand d how friendly they are) and relaxing days.
And that was when the country was getting rocked by earthquakes and had recently been battered by a few climate-change monster hurricanes. Screw people who hate on PR, that place rocks and is more resilient than your average conservative commentator.
But… PR is part of the US and is a wonderful place full of kind people.
Yes, and ones who don’t vote for these losers. That’s what’s got them butthurt. And the fact that they’re a majority Hispanic place where everyone born there is automatically a U.S. citizen. I’m sure that also makes them seethe.
The main reason PR isn’t a state is because Republicans are scared of how brown people would vote… and to a much greater extent, brown people in general.
Well Puerto Ricans are also of mixed opinions on whether they would even want to be a US state.
Everyone is of mixed opinions about everything, if they don’t want to be a state they can be an independent nation with visa and passport rights.
Yes, and ones who don’t vote for these losers. That’s what’s got them butthurt.
Puerto Ricans don’t vote for anybody. They don’t have representation in Congress, and they have zero electoral votes because they aren’t a state.
So, no, they’re just butthurt because of racism, and Puerto Rico can’t do anything about it because they don’t have any representation.
Why even say this? What a useless shitbag.
To them, cruelty is comedy.
Is that Kill Tony?
Yup thats what he does… roast mfs! I dont understand how everyone on lemmy is losing their mind over 1 joke!
The context is important. Republicans are openly racists, and this is a rally for Donald Trump presidency. This isn’t a badly lit comedy room
People who attend these events know who will be performing. Kill tony constantly brings black/hispanic comics on his show so Im very confused by what you are trying to say. All republicans are not racist.
Did you know you can interact with other races while still being racist?
Do you still believe that racism means that you actively are trying to kill another race?
He is openly bigoted, it’s not an act. Just watch his show. When he is drunk it all comes out, including his self-hating for being gay
Its comedy but it sounds like you dont like that type of comedy. No one is being racist to people who willingly went to a show that kill tony would be on. Nothing I can do if it hurts your fragile feelings.
Comedy isn’t a free pass to be a racist piece of shit.
For those that didn’t know before that Tony Hinchliffe is a racist Republican, now they know and can choose for themselves what they want to do about that. You can go and suck Tony’s dick.
It’s just a joke get over it!
And yet, most racists are Republicans. Weird.
“I am not racist because I have black friends”. This is how you sound.
The presidential nominee for the GOP is openly racist, sexist and a fascist. By choosing DJT as a nominee, you cannot dissociate the rascim from the party. If you are still a member of the GOP and/or vote for Trump, at best, you enable racism.
So yeah, going to the GOP rally shitting on Puerto Ricans, you are most definitely racist.
How I sound to you maybe, but that doesnt matter. Remember all this over a joke… get over your self!
It’s Tony Hinchcliffe at a recent MAGA rally in New York City.
Is that Tony of the show Kill Tony?
Oh god, so stupid
Reminds me of this classic greentext
This reminds me of when RTGame played Cities Skylines using a world map mod and made the island of Great Britain the landfill.
How many jokes about Christians or conservatives did he do? Zero?! Why’s that? Answer those questions.
This isn’t even good racism. This is like, 2000s-era ironic racism. Which was about as funny as Holocaust jokes, and aged about as well as Anne Frank.
Where’s the hateful, KKK, lynchmob racism? Don’t just casually half ass it. Show your real murican colors. Y’all are living like American History X and you give us Wayne Brady on Chapelles Show.
It doesn’t matter. It won’t compel any of these mouth-breathing, lazy bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL retards to go out and vote Democrat. Nothing will.
Please don’t use that word around here.
There are large number of Puerto Ricans in many swing states (+ important downballot races), and Republicans have been trying to court their vote. This isn’t doing them any favors
Peurto Ricans by state
- Pennsylvania: 450k
- North Carolina: 100k
- Wisconsin: 65k
- Michigan: 50k
- Florida: 1.1 million
- New York: 1 million
It doesn’t even have to change minds all that much to matter. If any trump-leaning Puerto Ricans just don’t turnout, it matters a lot
Of course I hope you are right, but if after the past decade and everything that has happened, that has been said, this election seems to be in a dead heat instead of Harris/Waltz winning by anything other than a landslide, I hold no illusions about the intelligence and decency of the “average” american voter, these people are already dead inside, or at least not too far removed from illiterate medieval peasants, easily dazzled by bullshit and god-kings with magic political wands… abraca-fucking-dabra.
