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Don’t act like Walz wiping the floor with Vance is a forgone conclusion, it’s not. That’s what people thought about Biden’s debate. Whether we admit it or not, there’s intelligent Republican debaters who can’t be baited out there, Trump just isn’t one of them.
I genuinely wonder if the best option wouldn’t be to refuse the VP debate until live, fact-checking is in place for both candidates. That, or correcting simple untruths didn’t count toward their time. I love Tom Walz, but if he has to literally spend his entire time refuting very obvious lies continuously spewed by Vance, his time would be better spent campaigning in swing states. How much does a Vice-Presidential campaign really matter, anyway?
correcting simple untruths didn’t count toward their time
This would be THE BEST rule ever for all debates of any kind.
I disagree, that’ll be abused by candidates to get more screen time.
We should keep the fact checking ABC did and perhaps deduct time for candidates that are consistently caught out on lies. The fact checkers should be approved by all candidates as well, so they can’t just point to the hosts as favoring one or another.
There’s intelligent Republican debaters who can’t be baited out there
This is true, but I’ve seen Vance speak, he has zero charisma. I feel like you need some amount of charisma to be a bullshit artist and have people not see straight through you. I mean people with any semblance of intelligence will see through you no matter what, but votes aren’t weighted on intelligence.
I’ve been saying for years that votes should be weighted on IQ. 1 vote for 100IQ points, 1.2 votes for 120IQ. If people literally rip up their children’s homework because they are learning about pronouns (the grammatical concept) then they should be considered mentally unfit to vote
IQ is inaccurate at best, racist at worst. Bad take.
Fair, I wish there was a way to judge one’s general grasp on reality accurately.
If there is no fact checking, Kamala needs to be ready to ask why Trump nominated someone who isn’t allowed in any Ashley Furniture store in the lower 48 states and Alberta.
You… do know Harris (it’s weird you used her first name) and Trump won’t be at the Vice-Presidential debate, right?
Not weird at all, it’s her first name. That’s what it’s for
It’s a subconscious reduction of the person based on the idea that men are better leaders. I promise you’ll start to catch on to it now that you know about it, it’s weird as fuck.
Only if you let it be. Its not weird to call someone by their first name. Especially since the term weird has become weponized.
Calling Kamala Harris, Kamala instead of Harris might be unusually in the situation…but its not “i like to fuck couches” or “ill invent overt lies if thats what i think i need to do” or “grab em by the pussy” etc kind of weird.
if it isn’t weird why aren’t you referring to the men as Joe, Don, Tim and James?
Yeah, we all know it’s her first name, no one calls her that unless they have a personal relationship with her. I’m not even saying it has to be “Madame Vice-President” or anything so formal, but no one refers to the former president as “Donald” either…
R/theDonald
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Its unusual maybe, but with the current weaponization of the word weird its a point worth making. Its not weird to call someone by their first name.
Awkward in as elections go, but I think its worth pointing out how completely normal it is to use her first name when refering to her.
Its much like calling your parent by their first name. Its different, but not wierd in the new sense of the word weird
Even back when it was in its heyday, people didn’t say “Donald supports this”, “Donald for President!”, “I love Donald!!!”, etc. It’s kind of unearned personal familiarity…
Start looking at how many people say “Kamala” versus how many people say “Joe”, “Tim”, “Donald”, or “JD”.
Hoe many Joes, Tims and Donalds do you know, and how many Kamalas? In the USA, it’s a name that stands out. I’m sure you intend to imply that it’s patronizing in some way, but there are oerfectly legitimate reasons to call her by her first name and you’re not doing yourself any favors by just assuming that none of them apply here.
I’m glad you understand what I’m implying.
It’s not like you were subtle about it. But being understandable doesn’t make it right. “Chickens build laser boxes” is also perfectly understandable.
Yeah no thanks. Its hard enough to get away from american politcs at a time like this as it is. Ive no interest or capacity to go out of my way to subject myself to more of it than i have to.
Okay! Next time someone implies US political discourse is getting a lil sexist, think to yourself, “Ive no interest or capacity to go out of my way to subject myself to more of it than i have to” instead of weighing in.
I feel like less people will watch the VP debate but people might still point out that jd vance is lying out of his aaa
Xi wonders if Harris’s campaign will demand the debate be conducted on a platform with decency and standards, or push further into the “troll” tactics Harris has been using to get Trump to self-incriminate. Xi likes when politicians do a little trolling.
What does the CCP have to do with this?
Nothing, that’s why xi didn’t mention them. Are you confused about xi’s pronouns?
Only the truly deranged and complete assholes refer to themselves in the third person. Which are you?
This one is truly deranged, and it doesn’t think that it’s an asshole, although it does admit that it possesses one, for the sake of transparency.
Anyway, it doesn’t think that you ought to bother others on proper pronoun usage. Doing so might draw the fire of those who wish to build a better world.
Neither. Xi referred to dragself in the first person. Xi has first person neopronouns, xi/drag. Xi’s pronouns are person-independent, so they apply the same way in first, second, and third person.
Most people have first person, second person, and third person object, subject, and possessive pronouns. That’s 9 pronouns! Xi only has 2 pronouns, so xi’s pronouns are much simpler and easier to remember.
Calling us “people” and “person” is kind of fucked up, why are you assuming our species? Get with the times, that is so 2023
Xi is sorry. What is your species identity? Xi will remember and respect it.
He has no power to shut down a major news network, so one must ask why they decided to change the policy. It is not because of Trump’s impotent threats.
Because they want a piece of that sweet, lucrative, “insane spectacle” money. The execs don’t care, as long as they get paid.
I assume the Trump/Vance campaign privately told CBS no fact checking else Vance drops out of the debate.
If Trump wins and we became a dictatorship he could do anything. The supreme Court has ruled on this, he is practically immune from the law while in office. He could literally have people assassinated and get away with it.
That’s a big if. Additionally, he may have a scotus ruling saying that he’s not accountable, but that doesn’t mean that shit won’t hit the fan if he tries to exercise that decision. The government and its institutions aren’t comprised solely of documents. There are a fair number of powerful people who would not take kindly to a dictator running the country. Hopefully we never need to test this. I’ve lived through enough interesting times already.
Some people are under the mistaken impression that corporate news is not run specifically by republiQans to promote conservatism.
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Is this one though, or are they merely… “useful”?
My own point is that if those two are functionally indistinguishable, then that should tell us something about how dangerous the situation has become.
Very nice emojis btw!
Every corporation is run by rich assholes who only care about stock prices and quartly earnings
Exactly - whether conservatism is promoted or not seems merely a byproduct.
Do you mean that these entities are run by people who believe qanon? Or you weren’t being literal? Just the former I’d be really curious to see what lead you to opinion
Hilarious and sad if true
he has no power on his own. go after the shadow drivers that hide behind his buffoonery if you really truly want to see clarity
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Yeah, Trump isn’t what’s killing free speech.
Trump is a symptom, not the cause: conservatism is the real problem here. I keep saying this, but as long as we keep allowing conservatives to reach positions of power, shit like this – and worse – will keep happening.
Trump is both a symptom, of some deeper underlying issues, and a cause, of feed-forwarding those same issues - e.g. amplifying their power and their spread beyond what they would have done without his help.
Many people thought that Ron Desantis would take Trump’s place - that speaks to Trump being a mere symptom. However, Ron had no chance to win the the overall presidential election - that speaks to how crucial Trump is specifically to it, in its current form I mean.
The Alt Right Playbook, by Innuendo Studios, describes conservatism so much better than I ever could though.
Let’s have a talk about social media platform censorship. Tiktok and YouTube members who self censor common words like death or rape in legitimate conversations about the topics are learning to temper their language or face consequences. Unimportant consequences.
It may seem small by comparison, but if you condition it at a low level, each step beyond is easy to swallow. Spread it out over an entire population, and you see huge results.
Is this why I see totally unnecessary self censorship for words like “r*cism”? Even here on Lemmy. I assume some of this originated on Twitter, where people abuse the reporting system as a form of retaliation.
Yes. It’s so absurd.
You just described Newspeak (Nineteen Eighty-Four novel):
Newspeak, which is a controlled language of simplified grammar and limited vocabulary designed to limit a person’s ability for critical thinking. The Newspeak language thus limits the person’s ability to articulate and communicate abstract concepts, such as personal identity, self-expression, and free will,[1][2] which are thoughtcrimes, acts of personal independence that contradict the ideological orthodoxy of Ingsoc collectivism.[3][4]
Newspeak was an intentional in-universe conlang designed and handed down by Ingsoc based on “how you speak affects how you think” (which is a hypothesis that has… some kind of name). This is a bunch of people trivially avoiding automated filtering like it’s been done since the first puritan implemented the first world filter.
One of the main differences is that self-censoring seggs and raep and ahh-es or whatever still leaves it plenty obvious what you mean, it just outs you as a Tiktok user. Conceptually word filters are a blacklist whereas Newspeak was intended to be a whitelist with the restrictiveness that entails.
The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis or linguistic relativity, just in case that was bothering you.
I did pick up what Orwell was putting down. It’s definitely helped shaped my view of the world.
It’s a lot more banal, though. Youtube has to sell advertising, and advertisers don’t want to be next to discussions of rape or suicide. These restrictions are enforced algorithmically, hence the self-censorship. And in any case, it doesn’t achieve the objective of newspeak, as those concepts are still being discussed.
And in any case, it doesn’t achieve the objective of newspeak, as those concepts are still being discussed.
Yet.
But I get what you are saying. I just find the similarities, although banal, kind of funny. In a scary kind of way.
I don’t think it’s right to divorce the censorship from the result just because the justification is different.
What I mean is that even though that conditioning is taking place for a banal reason it’s still true that it’s conditioning and will affect the acceptance of moves like this debate fact checking decision that are serious and do have consequences. So therefore it still matters and is still dangerous.
Agreee. CBS is not afraid of Trump. CBS is afraid of his army of rabid zombies who will flood their telephone lines emails and faxes and mailrooms with violent harrassment.
The brown shirts (or red MAGA caps in this case) are the real danger.
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When was the last time legality stopped Trump?
The president absolutely can. Would it be legal? Probably not. Would that matter after federal agents kick everyone out of your studio and lock it? Probably not.
(or after he incites a magat to firebomb them)
When it happens, do you think the Supreme Court is going to side with CBS?
Yes. Who do you think has more money, trumpler, or Paramount Global (formerly Viacom)?
Depends how much of the rest of the government apparatus Trump’s brown shirts manage to take control of
So you didn’t pay attention to any part of the immunity ruling. Got it.
A random person - no.
A person who controls millions of narrow minded gun wielding nationalists - maybe.
In a liberal federal republic that isn’t a failed state, no.
In what Republicans want and are actively working towards?
Let me get this straight, CBS is refusing to fact check the VP nominee who, on TV, admitted that if he has to make up lies to get America’s attention then he’d do just that?
Eat shit CBS
They should just add “Admitted liar” to his marquee whenever he’s on screen.
Part of the problem is that nearly every sentence trump spoke was a lie, so fact checking was not 100%. They just fact checked random things, like, nobody is eating our pets. ProfessorWeKnowDis.gif
They fact checked the most obvious stuff on purpose. It’s irrefutable. You cannot seriously claim they were biased when their two fact checks were the most basic shit. And yet that highlights just how bad Trump is.
Americans still haven’t figured out that when the US talks about democracy and freedom, it’s a fucking lie. The rest of the world knows this. Catch up already. Democracy was never alive in the US.
Walz needs to make outlandish, unbelievable, rumors. Couch fucking should sound normal.
Vance is technology he’s own great-,grandfather/ brother. You know, he’s Grafa bro! His pet ladybug is very proud of their accomplish.
That would be so fun if he would use the maga debate technic and go full lie after lie making Vance lose his time refuting everything
It seems that Walz has been using the Trump cult’s tactics of being super cheeky and poking at the competition.
I hope to see him ridicule that eyeliner-wearing, couch-fucker. When the righties complain we can tell them “why so triggered? he was just joking around! Lol”
It’s not that Trump is killing anything; no more than millenials killed anything. It’s the media that’s the problem. If we’re going to blame anybody for failed media, then let’s blame the appropriate people. Instead of giving them a scape goat, we hold their feet to the fire.
This. They made the choice not because Trump is a whiny little baby, but because they see dollar signs by allowing him to make a spectacle.
C.R.E.A.M.
I kinda wanna see the entire debate evolve into ludicrous, outlandish claims back and forth. Just sheer comedy. I know this isn’t the right way to fix anything, but it’s what we deserve at this point for letting the situation get this far unchecked.
Imagine a candidate spilling bullshit like “Haitian immigrants are eating the dogs”. That would be hilarious.
Oh don’t be ridiculous, who would be stupid enough to believe something like that?
I can’t fathom it.
“No, you have poopy pants!”
This is the level of discourse I’ve come to expect from presidential debates ever since trumpler entered the races.
This is exactly the spirit I’m talking about.
“I will give everyone a car to drive to work”
“I will do one better! A helicopter! Helicopters are way cooler!”
Free sex for everyone! But no contraceptives!
