I’m not American, but I’m really surprised that some Americans don’t know anything about Spanish. I mean, there are a lot of places in the U.S. with Spanish names, and it’s easy to encounter Hispanic/Mexican culture if you live in places like L.A.
The US is massive and not nearly as well-mixed as people believe. If you don’t happen to live in a spanish-heavy area, it’s like a Russian that doesn’t know Spanish - obviously some do, but I’m not at all surprised by those who don’t.
in terms of land-area, the us is closer to Europe than any single European country.
Imagine, for example, being surprised that Catalonians are unfamiliar with Sami, or Swedes being unfamiliar with Maltese.
Population wise, too. Minnesota is different than California, or even our neighbors (north and South Dakota, Wisconsin and Iowa, Canada to the north,).
Hell. The Twin Cities (Minneapolis and St Paul) are very different and we can lob insults across the river.
LA to NYC is roughly the same distance as Lisbon to Moscow
Yup. Europe is only slightly larger. And that’s europe, not the EU. Europe on the whole is significantly denser in population, though.
If you want to compare direct numbers, the EU has ~450 million to the Us’s ~350 million and 3.9 million (or cia’s fact book, 4.2) km^2 compared to 9.8 million km^2.
The other countries that are similar are India, china and Russia.
…so the fact that the US is large somehow explains how that sign got through its entire chain of production and deployment without anyone realising that Latino people don’t speak Latin?
No. it explains this:
I’m not American, but I’m really surprised that some Americans don’t know anything about Spanish.
having a lot of Latinos in one place doesn’t mean there’s a lot elsewhere, or that the people who made the sign are even anywhere close to familiar with any sort of Latino culture… for example, in Minnesota, there’s a large number of Puerto Ricans in St Paul. if you drove forty minutes out west, you’re not going to see that. Same goes with the Somali influence in Cedar Riverside, or the Hmong neighborhoods.
as for the sign… the people who actually made the sign don’t give a flying rat’s ass what’s on it. A client sends them a picture or something, they print it, and send it out. If anyone even actually looked at it. It could have been an entirely automated service like vistaprint or whoever.
its like the bakers that put “just say ‘Happy Birthday’ in rainbow icing letters” on the cake. they’re not paid enough to care what they’re actually printing.
Which means the only people who probably who really needed to fail to understand the distinction is… the people that ordered it. And when you’re talking about somebody who probably hung that up on their fence… there’s not a “chain” of people involved.
as for the sign… the people who actually made the sign don’t give a flying rat’s ass what’s on it.
Pre-press is part of my job. I care about the quality of the art and whether or not the text prints correctly. I send a proof to the client after I’ve checked those thing, and they verify that the text, etc. is correct, that we have the correct size, material, and so on. If someone sends me artwork that’s going to end up printing at 26dpi, then I’m going to let them know that it’s going to look bad. If they send raster text that they’ve blown up 5x and is all bitmappy, I’m gonna let them know that they need to fix that.
If the text is in Latin rather than Spanish? Not my concern.
Well, there are people with different roots from all over the world. The fewest of us are actually native american, so I think everyone has their culture and embraces that on his own wish. Then we all come together in the middle to create American culture.
I know it’s not the way it works and this sounds like racism doesn’t exist in the US or something which is of course utter bullshit. This is the way I think how it should be done and how I practice it myself. I actually know a bit of Spanish and dipped my toe already in Mexican culture, but I’m not going to study and embrace it because it’s not my particular culture, just as I am not expecting an Hispanic person to study and embrace my culture. In the end I don’t think about culture a lot. I like cool and interesring people, cool and interesting music and of course good food. In total I just want to have a good time and I am happy to encounter parts of anyone’s culture in a natural way were I can explore things more like an adventure and less like a chore
I live over 5,000 kilometers from LA and have never been anywhere near it. As an American I am closer to actual Spain across the ocean.
It’ll probably work. Most Hispanic people I’ve met that vote love Trump.
why? Is it the usual trumpist reasoning? Or something else.
With the Hispanic people I know that prefer Trump, it’s the usual trumpist/Republican reasoning. Even down to anti-immigration, from a person who’s father was an undocumented immigrant. Propaganda and desire to be in the in-group among your peers is wild.
I have no idea. Fear of “socialism”? Religion? The myth that republicans are good for small business owners?
Latinos themselves are not a very cohesive group.
Many are die-hard Catholics. Many fled from Cuba and will vote against anything that looks like communism.
But that’s far from all Latinos, or even all Cuban immigrants.
It’s important to not lump everyone together.
hm, that makes sense with what i’ve heard so far, so i guess that shouldn’t surprise me.
i guess i’m probably just most confused by the fact that people would vote for trump at all lol
i guess i’m probably just most confused by the fact that people would vote for trump at all lol
You, me. The entire sane world.
It’s truly perplexing why most these people would vote for the guy. Or even donate to his political campaign since he brags about not needing donations…(and his lawyers fees… yesh.)
He’s really crossed the rubicon now…
Alea iacta est
Ok I’ll write “Hispanics and Latinos vote for Trump” and so they think it’s from one of them, translate-> Latina and done!
Bottom text does seem like informal portuguese, so progressive
stultus stultus est
What a dipshit, using a dead language for a dead campaign.
Covfefe Diem, imperator!
Covfefe is Classical Latin, not Vulgar Latin which is what the plebeians speak.
Only Latin he needs is sic semper tyrannis
Get your foot off my neck
Very telling that they didn’t have a single Latino person involved in this that could have told them this is wrong. And even if you don’t speak Spanish, this would feel off to anybody with any sort of exposure to Latin American culture.
Another, Four Seasons Total Landscaping. What a bunch of weird idiots.
I don’t know Latin and haven’t taken Spanish for like 20 years, but would the first line translate to “Legal (my emphasis) Hispanics and Latinos”? Gotta love courting the votes of a demographic while still showing your bias against them.
Yep. I studied Latin and the “legales” is modifying the two nouns.
The first actually refers to residents of Hispania, so any classical Latin speaking immigrants from Spain and Portugal should feel included.
The second refers to the Latins, who were assimilated into the Roman (Trojan if believe the Aeneid) population and no longer exist.
Stylistically, I would have gone with the enclitic “-que” over the conjunctive “et.”
EDIT: They messed up the verb. Well, I’m guessing they thought they were using a verb. The “vota” is the nominative plural of votum, so it reads “Votes for Trump.”
They’re not bright enough to know that the English verb “elect” derives from the perfect passive participle of “eligo, eligere” - electus.
They should have gone with “Eligite Trump!” - “Choose/Elect Trump!”
Basically I think though my latins rusty it reads like google translate in that the form seems wrong like someone transliterated English to Latin and ignored Latin grammar and logic in that Latin speaking people in Latin really doesn’t exist in the same way. Latini I think was only the subgroup of Latin speakers in Italy named Latium, either way not how a Roman Latin speaker would refer to a Latin speaker in general, not that the concept existed in the same way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latium
It’s kind of like translating Japanese directly into English, reads off if you say in the room there are many chair in English kinda deal.
Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your vote
ad kalendas Graecas
Now I’m picturing a racist candidate from another part of the world trying to appeal to the white minority via Anglo Saxon language and imagery billboards 😄🤦
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or just scrolling through a drop down list of languages and saw Latin before Spanish.
Well, they ARE LATINos, not SPANISHos, silly
Genuinely giggling to myself over the pronunciation as spuh-NEE-shohs
if they hired a translator who just went “🤷 ah well, money is money”
Probably a Latini…
Anyways, this reminds me when the series Homeland filmed at a location that was supposed to be a syrian refugee camp and hired arab speaking graffiti artists to “add authenticity” and they wrote things like “Homeland is racist” and “BlackLivesMatter” and shit like it instead of the requested “Pro -Assad” messages… https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/oct/15/homeland-is-racist-artists-subversive-graffiti-tv-show
This can’t be real. I mean . . it very much can be real, but c’mon. Somebody’s just fucking with us right
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Oh absolutely. I can see it happening for sure. But did it? Is this real?
I’m thinking it’s not. Just a goof being presented as a real thing.
Republican ideology natural selects dipshit
As somebody far enough from any America, I got a few healthy recreational grunting laughs from this.
Latin America. What else are the gonna speak?
The number of people in my town that think our language is American, Mexicans speak Mexican, all Asian people are Chinese, and any random combination of cities/countries are part of the United States makes this very plausible.
and any random combination of cities/countries are part of the United States
You do have a few Saint-Petersburgs, right? And Athens? And Cairos?
that think our language is American,
Similar to Russia then.
Mexicans speak Mexican,
Similar to Russia then.
all Asian people are Chinese,
Still similar to Russia.
Oh its possible, sure. But is it real or a prank?
The fact that we have to ask is scary enough
Sure, but we’ve been in this timeline since the Escalator Ride to Hell so it’s not, like, that unusual.
Heck, Pizzagate was a no-shit, for real thing these chowderheads yapped about for years. Maybe still do.
Like you could say American is a sub dialect of English with it further broken down into accents. But I doubt most folks think of it that way, especially folks who say “I speak American” outside of an argument with the English.
The problem is I can see it being real and I can see it being put up by either campaign
Democrats are much more likely to have a Spanish speaker on staff at all levels. They are a more diverse bunch. Republicans, many from southern states will speak some Spanish, more so than northern white democrats. But, they are more likely to he a white only staff at each level, so nobody would pick up on it.
This is part of the reason diversity is important. It will be self evident to some people that things are not right, whereas those in a different world won’t even notice.
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How the hell can you see this being put up by Democrats? What idiot messaging do they have that even comes close to the torrent of ignorant bullshit the republiQans swim in every moment of the day?
Not the party, but it falls very in line with the current “whether or not this is true, they seem the type” attacks such as the couch fucker memes
I see the couch memes as an extension of “I can see Russia from my house” memes.
