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The Spanish government has a plan to prevent kids from watching porn online: Meet the porn passport.
Officially (and drily) called the Digital Wallet Beta (Cartera Digital Beta), the app Madrid unveiled on Monday would allow internet platforms to check whether a prospective smut-watcher is over 18. Porn-viewers will be asked to use the app to verify their age. Once verified, they’ll receive 30 generated “porn credits” with a one-month validity granting them access to adult content. Enthusiasts will be able to request extra credits.
You have to request more porn credits from the government if you need more? Don’t want the government to be tracking this data of you. This is a privacy issue
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Ok tinfoil hat time.
Perhaps this government anti-porn law stuff is backed by people who actually want to dismantle government altogether. And not in a fun Communist way but in a privatize everything, corporate serfdom way.
By pushing for the government to do stupid and unpopular things, they can get people mad at the very concept of government. They can then use that to dismantle things like nationalized health care, fire departments, whatever.
I wish they would just push all the big mainstream porn sites to remove the most abusive misogynistic content rather than slapping these checks on everything.
Also this will never be okay until there is a zero knowledge version that means neither the government, nor the sites, nor any other party can establish a given person’s habits which is probably not something they’ll ever do because tracking is probably part of the point.
I’m not a fan of the easy access to porn that kids have or the proliferation of the industry in general but I am worried that as part of this harmless things like erotic roleplaying websites will be swept up as part of it and well I use those. And their point is not porn though some people host and share porn as part of it (which is why it’d get swept up with it eventually probably), it’s about writing, smutty, erotic writing. And I’d rather not have to tie my identity to my desires to roleplay out an elf who ends up at a gangbang with the wolf-men tribe to my real life identity (I’m not claiming that’s something I do there but it’s an example of something that would be kind of embarrassing for others to know and it’s far from the weirdest stuff that goes on in places like that).
Government having credits for how often I could say log in and continue a long-term erotic writing campaign with someone is just weird but that’s the end point of this kind of thing. Having credits seems not helpful anyways, the true porn addicts are just going to download stuff then share it in private forums, discords, p2p, etc. If the point is to stop kids from accessing this the credits thing seems odd.
Lol most porn is made in the US. How is Spain supposed to regulate US porn streaming companies showing content filmed and distributed by US companies?
Easy, they can set guidelines and block in the country sites that do not follow these guidelines.
I wonder how one would find an exhaustive list of porn sites. Using a blacklist seems like a hard problem because of discovery here.
Obviously, no censorship measure can reach all cases, especially when it comes to pornography, you can find it in every corner of the internet. But it can cover most cases if it targets the most popular sites. For example, there is a lot of child pornography on the surface web, despite it being banned in most countries, but the ban makes access difficult and guarantees punishment in any case that the law takes notice of. It is not a definitive strategy, as it aims at the effect and not the cause, but it is something.
Surely this will work.
How many here want to bet that VPN companies lobbied the Spanish Government for this?
If your worst-case scenario for lax online identity is that kids might watch porn… I don’t give a shit if kids watch porn.
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I think this is bad because it doesn’t solve any problems (efficacy of age verification systems is questionable at best) and introduces new problems (token system violates privacy). Censorship under governments creates black markets and reduces privacy at taxpayer expense. If they are concerned about child safety maybe they should start with what studies show are the most effective ways to accomplish that goal as opposed to ineffective, expensive wastes of time.
(it doesn’t tie your identity to the content you’re viewing, only the use of your credits)
The website can’t know this, but the government can easily (and I bet will) link an identity to a token, and know where and when it is used. It can also request metadata on usage of a token, which websites will no doubt want to store.
That the government can track this sort of thing is bad enough, but I’m especially concerned that it or both parties will leak/share/sell their databases, allowing anyone to do the same.
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Hmm. Driving porn viewers who value their privacy underground couldn’t possibly have any negative consequences I can think of.
When you are out of porn credits before the end of the month, you can go to the good ol’ simulator:
And then when it doesn’t work because of the laws of nature, they can block filesharing sites on account of porning kids up without requiring porn credits.
The harder a law is to enforce, the more that law is a boon for an expanding surveillance state.
On behalf of teen me and adult me, fuck off
Aren’t teens adults?
Drake uses an owl for his logo. Are you Drake?
This is the one. Right here, officer.
Aren’t hotdogs hamburgers?
Depends on legislature.
18 year olds and above are considered basically adults in terms of rights in a lot of countries. Technically, they are teenagers, if we refer to the age group 10 to 19 as teens. It’s obvious though that everyone below that “adult-age” limit is not considered an adult.
Usually I think teens are 13+
In Judaism that’s an adult. Also people that age can produce children. I don’t know about other cultures.
To libertarians, yes.
So the reason they give you multiple credits instead of just a 30 day cookie when you sign into a website is that it’s anonymised right? You generate them and save them offline and the government doesn’t know which token belongs to who?
No one expects the Spanish Imposition.
The Spanish Inhibition
Spanish (limited) Exhibition
The Spanish Intermission
The Spanish Invasion (of privacy)?
On the plus side Spains teenagers are about to become extremely computer literate.
In other news, Spain sees a surge in VPN services subscription.
Wouldn’t it be more effective to just grant each user a way to pass verification with age with a token tied to some system and simply use a Ring signature so that user privacy is preserved and no need for limits?
For those in Spain I suggest protonVpn
I feel like a browser API that just gives info to the site when request of either “is under age, is of age to create an account, is adult” might be an easy way to establish something like this too
This way the site can voluntarily check if they’re illegally collecting data on minors, if they’re showing adult content to adults, and automatically display age appropriate content of applicable
Maybe an NSFW flag as well that sites can check to automatically show/hide NSFW content, for example on work machines or shared computers, but that’s probably getting a little too finegrained
The real question is how is the age flag determined? Is it determined by the browser? The OS? Browser seems the safest bet, since Google can base it off of the Google Account, Microsoft can base it off the Microsoft account and Mozilla can shove it in the settings and potentially base it on the Mozilla account
Is “effective” really the word you want to use?
Of course engineers are going to design the simplest system that meets the requirements. It seems like “privacy” wasn’t on the list of requirements here.
