• Cosmicomical@lemmy.world
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    Every time someone asked me if they should worry about AI i’ve always replied that they should only worry about humans, especially the rich ones.

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    Sounds like she’s worried someone will make an AI specifically trained on feminist literature and talking points to do her tweeting for her so she has the time to actually go to therapy and deal with her issues.

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    In my job I write a lot of bullshit sentences that I’d rather a machine write for me. But the solution is to make it so I don’t have to write bullshit sentences, not to get a machine to write bullshit.

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      If your job is anything like mine, the entire reason for those blshit sentences is to fool a machine at Google into putting your website higher in their search results.

      So now it’s bullshit Ai writing stuff for another bullshit Ai to judge. Consideration for humans is non existent.

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      But if you don’t write more bullshit sentences, who’s going to pay for AI to summarize by getting rid of your bullshit sentences?

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      Here’s the neat part, the fight to make you stop having to write bulshit sentences is ENTIRELY seperate from the fight against AI

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    AI art is just as much theft as piracy is, its not and the only morons who say it is are financially incentivised to make that claim.

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      “Financially incentivised”? As in, the people who make a living creating original art? The people whose work is being taken without compensation and fed into a mindless program to plagiarise their work? Those bastards?

      Artists aren’t some rich elite that you are winning one over on here. They are individuals who have been told for years that ‘exposure’ is the best payment. They are people, not companies. They have worked hard to develop their skills.

      Their ‘financial incentive’ is wanting to be paid for their hard work? Fuck those guys right?

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        But its not plagiarism. Its just training. In terms of information its no different from a human just seeing an art piece.

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          But they don’t learn when you train them. They mashup what they have been fed, and shit out an approximation of your request each time. When you type “in the style of xyz”, the system doesn’t remember who xyz is. It does a search for data on xyz, and copies it.

          If these models were learning, you wouldn’t still need paragraph long prompts every time you wanted to plop out another plastic-skinned anime chick with fucked-up flipper hands and huge bazoongas. It would have learned how to make that shit by now.

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            the system doesn’t remember who xyz is. It does a search for data on xyz, and copies it

            This sentence is so not how those AI models work, that it leads me to believe you don’t actually know enough about them to be having this discussion.

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            Honestly, I’m having a ton of fun with generative A.I. as a marketing producer. It’s allowing me to play in new ways and realize ideas that I would have never had the time or resources to execute otherwise. It’s given me the confidence to explore entirely new mediums and workflows that have bled over into my personal art.

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          It’s like a cover band trying to replace the real deal by writing “original” songs that are suspiciously derivative.

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          ai will not help real artists except for perhaps generating references. calculators are of great use to mathematicians because they are tools that do not steal their jobs, but instead make said jobs easier.

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          Calculator: 2+2=4

          AI: 2+2={4,5,13,52,…}

          AI techbros: Wassa problem? It’s givin u an answer, innit? Just as good as a calculaduh.

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      A big difference with piracy is that typically that’s not large companies profiting off the work of countless individuals, but the other way around.

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      Let’s talk again after your job is automated away, with no possibility for you to “skill up” because unlike in the 70s, this time the automation trend is starting from the top positions and the arts.

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        Sorry man, my job is not under threat by ai. The human element to what I do currently can’t be replaced. I certainly use it to help me get my job done faster though.

        The threat to “the arts” is not real. Corporate, soulless art might be a less lucrative field for an artist in the future due to image generation capabilities, which is definitely an unfortunate consequence of its development, but real art still has a human value that can’t be replaced by ai. That said, I’d consider image generation to be just another tool of creative expression. Ask 10 people in a room to come up with an image with any of the image generators and you’ll see vastly different levels of creativity in their prompts. The average internet hate train is just targeting this change this time around. It’s exhausting seeing internet posters see something changing and decide to target that one thing until they get bored because their manufactured rage doesn’t actually produce anything.

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      So you fully embrace AI generated journalism? AI art devoid of any emotions and skill? Shitty answers to prompts that just create more problems than solving them? AI has a long fucking way to go before it can really benefit humankind.

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        Ai generated journalism just made shitty journalism easier. The same shitty “top 10 whatever” sites were posting a similar level of pointless drivel 10 years ago but now they can produce more of them, I guess?

        As someone with very limited artistic skill, I think your opinion of AI art is gatekeeping. Sorry not everyone can pick up a pencil and put down the exact image they want to see. For me, it’s just another tool of creativity that also happens to lowers the barrier to entry. You’ll find very different ability in producing specific results among users, too. I’ve gotten a bunch of people at work to join me in coming up with prompts and it’s fascinating to see how different people come up with different ideas, and how some definitely understand how to work with image generators better than others.

        Not sure what you mean by shitty answers. Ever asked a human the answer to something? They often get things wrong too. I’ve definitely googled something many times only to find misinformation and bad results. This isn’t exclusive to LLMs.

        I agree with your last statement though. It’s a great tool that has only been broadly publically available in its current form for less than a few years now. Certainly there’s a long way to go. I just think all the doomers in these comment chains are simultaneously not giving its current capabilities enough credit, but also vastly overestimating the impacts AI generation will have societally.

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          Thanks for the well explained answer, I appreciate the tone of your post :)

          I’m fairly shit at art myself but have made respect for people who have a mental picture and can transfer that into whatever medium they’re using. AI art is easy to detect at this point and it just doesn’t do it for me.

          The thing with shitty answers is that the answers that come after a prompt sound feasible but very often it’s absolute nonsense and plan unusable.

          I appreciate the technology behind AI and it’s fairly impressive where we’re at now. But it has a very long way to go before it really becomes a benefit to humanity.

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    So what, Luddite? Make it even harder to transition to a non-capitalist world? Banning AI will make it harder, it’s much easier to transition to a post scarcity world when the tech to do so already exists and is accepted.

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      Luddites were 100% on the right side of history, as they were complaining not about technology but about the way it was being used as leverage against the lower classes. Your opinion of them is the result of an easy smear campaign, from the same people that are wielding technology now against you with your blessing.

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      Nah man it’s just another grift ban the fuck out of it. It might be artificial but it isn’t very intelligent.

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        Ah, cool. So then you will be coding me a neutral network framework in about 2 seconds then? C# please, object oriented and with proper comments to indicate what it’s doing.

        Wow, you’re super slow. This whole “not ai” thing sucks.

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          With llms there are 2 possibilities:

          1. you ask it something that already exists and it gives you a goodish solution that you could have found as part of an existing open source project
          2. uou ask it something completely new and it gives you crap, and you won’t even notice because you have fired all the people that could have noticed
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      When people complain about AI (including the above screenshot), it’s almost always just complaints about Capitalism. Yeah, big corporations are pushing AI hard. Yes, they are trying to replace workers with AI. These are not AI problems, they are Capitalism problems. People do know it’s okay to criticize Capitalism instead of just the things that Capitalism abuses, right?

      And it’s like they don’t see the ways that AI can help in the fight against Capitalism by empowering individuals.

      Plus, AI is not solely the providence of corporations… and even if they are in the lead on advancements, they won’t be able to keep it locked down, either. There are community AI projects and open source/weight/etc models… and they are also advancing quickly. The libraries that interact with the models are almost all open source, too.

      And while people complain about corporations scraping peoples data for training they neglect to consider that we, the community, can scrape corporate data as well… that’s ALL fair use. Attacking, diminishing, or destroying fair use benefits rich corporations infinitely more than it benefits us plebs and community efforts. “License your training data” is something only deep pockets can achieve. If I want to train something and have to pay for training data (which, btw won’t ever be reproduced/redistributed)… I can’t do that, you can’t do that… 99.999% can’t do that.

      The fear of Capitalists replacing us all with software has somehow managed to make people miss the forest for the trees. AI isn’t the enemy - not any more than the cotton gin, the telephone, or the internet - Capitalism is.

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          No, that’s valid… but it’s also a problem with all cloud technology in general. As models shrink and run locally more often instead of giant, dedicated data centers, that will improve. Right now brute force is how the bigger, cutting-edge models (e.g. ChatGPT) operate.

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              Oh, we are fucked. But I also won’t pretend that mostly solar-powered data centers, which don’t emit greenhouse gases, are in any way a remotely meaningful contributor to our climate crisis.

              If a bull is bucking around in my house, I’m not going to worry about the faucet slowly dripping in the bathroom. I want to deal with the bull, first.

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      I would encourage you to read up on who the Luddites really were. In short, textile workers who were being forced into underpaid and very dangerous work making cheap shit. They broke some machines and wrote some threatening letters to try and achieve a ban on child labour and a minimum wage. Then the government responded with executions and penal transportation.

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    I’m very conflicted about this. I’d reckon that the majority of us working on these AI and robotics systems do so to try to make the world a better place; so that maybe one day people won’t have to slave away in warehouses all day and pee in bottles because they can’t take the time to use the bathroom. Those good intentions always get corrupted by corporations and greed. So do we stop trying to push the envelope? Do we not try to make the world a better place for fear that it’ll be corrupted? I really just don’t know

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      So do we stop trying to push the envelope? Do we not try to make the world a better place for fear that it’ll be corrupted? I really just don’t know

      I think we probably need to stop having massive corpos that force people to piss in bottles, seems like the correct answer to me.

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        You’re right. I have no idea how to do that, though. One could argue that the solution to that problem would also serve as the solution to the problem of people losing their jobs to automation/AI.

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          yeah idk either, talking about it seems like the best way to figure it out to me though.

          And yeah it would probably snowball to a more productive and healthier workforce.

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      The answer is ethics, and refusing to work on topics that are contrary to ethics. can you really complain about corporations corrupting everything if you are the one enabling them by letting them corrupt you?

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        the difficulty here is that not everyone is able to make that choice. people who want to be ethically driven in their work also have to maintain employment to meet their needs, and may be assigned work they might personally choose not to do.

        i feel fortunate to have employment in line with my ethics and values, including that i work for a non-profit. if i lose this job, i may not have the option to wait for something similar when there is rent to pay.

        i think it’s worth making the effort, though.

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        Yes? I’ve got bills to pay and literally every job I can find is unethical. I’d rather seize the factors of production than try to find a nicer capitalist.

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      is it really corpo corruption? majority of ai art ‘enthusiasts’ do so in the guise of ‘democratizing’ art but they harrass artist by scraping their work and dming them that they will be out of jobs and will die poor.

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        Lmao, the majority of AI Artists use the fucking programs in peace and wish assholes like you would stop yelling at us that our creative outlet isnt real art and its stealing, which it really fucking isnt.

        The amount of DnD players that will shit on AI art and then go download their next character off Pinterest where they conveniently dont have to think about wether or not the person who hosted the image stole said art, is far closer to theft than AI art is

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      Regulations are supposed to help keep corruption and greed driven bad actors from running rampant and misusing new technology.

      The problem isn’t innovation. It’s the extremely wealthy people throwing their money into lobbying against any regulations that would limit how they’re allowed to utilize new technology like AI. Can’t have things like ethics getting in the way of raking in all that money.

      In the US this problem is pretty extreme because we have corporations funding our politicians via things like super PACs. It supposedly doesnt influence any politicians decisions, but we all know it must. People don’t throw around that much money during election time for shits and giggles. Somebody is getting something out of it somewhere.

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      Very often scientific breakthroughs lead to horrible unforseen outcomes (I doubt the first people to create a recipe for black powder forsaw the havoc it’d cause) - but y’all should’ve seen this coming.

      Automation always leads to less workforce being needed pretty much without exception. Thousands of craftsmen were put out of work by industrial machines, replaced with women and children paid dirt poor wages. Automobiles ended the era of horse and buggy (not so great an ending for the horses at large). Shorthand stenographers were put out of jobs by the type-writer. Computer was a job title before it was something that fit in your pocket.

      Bottom line: If you invent something that automates X - everyone who does X will begin to lose their jobs to your automation.

      Either we stop developing automation solutions, or we end requiring people have occupations to live.

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        Either we stop developing automation solutions, or we end requiring people have occupations to live.

        UBI.

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        Strongly disagree as unlikely as it sounds, crypto was much less annoying

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            Is it? Crypto could generate money for you. This can tell you lies based on its hallucinations.

            At least when you cashed out, you knew you were cashing out at the value you were being told you were cashing out at. If there were some weird merger between crypto and AI, you’d sell your AIcoin thinking it was valued at $100 but it would turn out it was actually valued at $2 and the AIcoin just told you it was $100.

            I think crypto is stupid and annoying and a waste of energy. This is stupider and more annoying and a bigger waste of energy and, worst of all, officially embraced by every major tech company.

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              Out of curiosity - do you think your opinion will change once on-device (i.e., power efficient) AI becomes the norm?

              The capabilities and utility of contemporary LLMs are wildly overstated by many, but the claim that they are completely useless is dubious imo. Nothing they generate can be treated as fact (and shame on those who suggest you do), but I can say with certainty that it has made my life as an indie programmer much easier, and I know I’m not alone in that.

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                Okay, sorry, here is my real response since I thought you were talking about something else due to being in two conversations at once in the same thread:

                My opinion will change when AIs stop being untrustworthy. Until I can have any sort of certainty that it isn’t just making shit up, it won’t change.

                Not too long ago, I asked ChatGPT to tell me who I am. I have a unique name. I also have a long-established internet media presence under that name. I’m not famous, but I’ve got enough prominence for it to know exactly who I am.

                It had no idea whatsoever. It got it entirely wrong. It said I was a business entrepreneur who gave motivational lectures.

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                  idk bro that sounds like saying search engines aren’t useful cuz you couldn’t google yourself…

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              Coders and artists are already making heavy use of AI, it doesnt magically do everything for you, and you have to check and curate it, but that doesnt make it entirely worthless. It’s FAR more useful than crypto

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              Crypto could generate money for you.

              Crypto moves money from one hand to another. It doesn’t create value in and of itself.

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                That’s not what I mean. I mean it can personally increase someone’s net worth, especially if they check out at the right time.

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                  Yeah, I understood what you mean. I’m saying that’s not better because there’s no value being created. At least AI is capable of doing some useful work for us.

                  You can even argue that it can make you money. Invest in a tech company involved in AI, cash out at the right time, boom, “free” money.

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        At least the crypto bros were idioting among themselves and not invading every fucking angle of modern society.

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          except they did. I mean, when an entire country adopts Bitcoin as national currency, then it literally has invaded every fucking angle of their modern society.

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          Not for lack of trying. They did push for cryptocurrency to be used as actual money (with some success - see El Salvador) and for NFTs to be used for managing ownership (of actual things you can use - not just JPEGs)

          It’s not that generative AI advocates are more pushy than crypto advocates - it’s just that they are more successful. Because like it or not - generative AI does work and does provide value. The problem with it is the ethics of training it and the negative impacts it has on society - but let’s not pretend it’s a failed concept like cryptocurrency.

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    I’d say “inb4 the AI cultists invade this thread” but it looks like I’m already too late

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    Love AI. Hope it bankrupts every artist so I no longer have to hear about them bitching about “stealing art”

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      The only part that annoys me about that complaint is that it’s not “stealing.” I think it’s very reasonable for artists to ask for compensation if their works are used in the creation of a commercial product, but it never has and never will be theft. Equating copyright infringement with theft is entertainment industry anti-piracy propaganda, and Hollywood really doesn’t need you to be their unpaid spokesperson.

      If you’re an independent artist who wants to be compensated when your art is used in AI training, then do yourself the favor of understanding what you actually need to ask for. Specifically, legislation to clarify that incorporation of copyrighted materials into an AI training data set is a protected use under copyright law and requires compensation, and/or that AI image models should be established as derivative works of the images in their training. That’s the legislative change they should be pushing for rather than inaccurately claiming “theft” and “stealing art.”

      Stealing art is when you have a painting and I don’t, and then I take it, and now I have a painting and you don’t. It has nothing to do with AI. Artists who oppose AI would be better advocates for themselves if they offered their criticism in accurate terminology.

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        I just hate that artists are one part in a large organization who are hell bent on building walls online

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        Whats extra funny is the online DnD community that will parrot the art theft point seconds before they jump back onto Pinterest to TOTALLY NOT STEAL the art of their next DnD character

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          You fucking moron, they aren’t using that art for financial gain. That’s the fucking difference. You will never listen to any actual grievances though because you don’t care who or what it harms, only that you get cool new gadgets. Eat shit you cunt bag.

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            You’re the fucking moron if you think the vast majority of AI Artists arent doing it for personal use. So lmao, cry more, your opinion is worthless

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              It’s not about what the people use the AI for, you incompetent prick. Who owns the AI? They make money from it providing a service to people. That service is stealing the abilities of real people who no longer get paid for their services.

              A child could understand this but as I said you will never even try to because you simply don’t give a shit about anyone or anything but your own enjoyment.

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    Using technology to make a post complaining about technology. The very platform being used contributes to “tech bro capitalism” but AI is crossing the line? What a weird take.

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      The post doesn’t say AI is bad, in fact it says it should be used for “dangerous inane things”.

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      “Using technology to complain about technology”

      This is like pointing at someone who took a bus to a climate science convention to talk about the problems with air travel and saying “wow, you used mass transit to complain about mass transit”

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    ok so technically the definition of art isn’t really a defined thing. The most likely point one could use is “that it isn’t human” and honestly, yeah. But i imagine that’s why “ai art” is the term people use instead.

    Art it art, it doesn’t matter what constitutes it, or how good or bad it is. If it’s art, it’s art. It’s technically just that simple.

    I also wouldn’t classify it as theft, considering that’s pretty similar to how human learning works. You ever look at a genre of art and notice they’re all pretty similar? There’s a reason. Could it break copyright? Probably, does it? No, probably not, should it? Probably.

    it’s funny to me that people are specifically pissing and shitting themselves about AI in particular, and not capitalism, and the fact that society is just ok with pushing it’s working force out of the market if it means making less money. Where were these people when we got rid of our manufacturing sector?

    You hate big capitalism fucking up your life? Me to, let’s go commit arson or something (for legal reasons, this is a joke, it’s hyperbolic, the humor is in the fact that committing a crime would do more for society than the following), instead of bitching about bill gates existing or whatever the fuck people do now.

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      ok so technically the definition of art isn’t really a defined thing. The most likely point one could use is “that it isn’t human” and honestly, yeah. But i imagine that’s why “ai art” is the term people use instead.

      Art it art, it doesn’t matter what constitutes it, or how good or bad it is. If it’s art, it’s art. It’s technically just that simple.

      I also wouldn’t classify it as theft, considering that’s pretty similar to how human learning works. You ever look at a genre of art and notice they’re all pretty similar? There’s a reason. Could it break copyright? Probably, does it? No, probably not, should it? Probably.

      it’s funny to me that people are specifically pissing and shitting themselves about AI in particular, and not capitalism, and the fact that society is just ok with pushing it’s working force out of the market if it means making less money. Where were these people when we got rid of our manufacturing sector?

      You hate big capitalism fucking up your life? Me to, let’s go commit arson or something (for legal reasons, this is a joke, it’s hyperbolic, the humor is in the fact that committing a crime would do more for society than the following), instead of bitching about bill gates existing or whatever the fuck people do now.

      :P

      I technically didn’t steal this content because I added a “:P” to it. Nobody can really define what plagiarism is so therefore it’s all good!

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            Lmao, someones salty at how others choose to spend their own time and energy

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              I will never understand why Americans insist on simping so hard for billion dollar companies. Is it the lead in the drinking water? Is it the lack of healthcare? Is is the terrible state of their education? Truly baffling.

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                Is this directed at me? 1: Not American 2: My use of AI helps zero corporations in any way as I installed the programs, for free, on my computer and use open source checkpoints, loras, and nodes to run them

                A whole fuckload of the hate towards AI is completely uniformed and based on gut feelings and shit thats just plain wrong. If you hate artists losing their jobs, attack the capitalists, not the commoners ALSO losing their jobs that have found a new tool that has greatly improved their lives

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                  I’m sure. Enjoy your nuggies!

                  Edit: Wow, you added so many big words! Did momma forget your sauce again?

                  Hey, you’re an expert: do you think the uptick in the number of sticky-fingered midwesterners around here is a sign that Lemmy’s finally reaching a wider, less technical audience?

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        did you expect me to be mad about the fact that you copy and pasted my schizophrenic ramblings?

        Also plagiarism is explicitly defined in academia, so i would suggest you tuck your tail between your legs and be quiet.

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    Lmao at all the luddites angry at a new open source piece of tech who are using a niche open source forum to yell at the clouds for being left behind by technology

    Edit: All the downvotes in the world wont stop me from using AI gen, nor will it stop you from being left behind

    2nd Edit: Keep feeding my block list knuckle draggers, it hasnt had fuel like this since I started blocking Tankies

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      Yeah no.

      Most of it is not open source, not available unless you sign your soul away to tech companies

      Also this is not about being left behind, this is about crappy software being abused to yet again mine your data.

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        Stable Diffusion is completely open source, and none of you make the distinction on WHICH AI art you shit on, so nah, cant hide behind that

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      The Luddite comparison is rather unfair. AI will have its applications, but it’s largely turning into the next tech bro buzzword being inappropriately shoehorned into everything, just like companies were trying to do with crypto and block chain everything a couple of years back. Now, everywhere you turn is cramming it in by default, whether it’s actually helpful or not. Outlook suddenly started irritating attempts at “assisting” my email writing, when I search for stuff, I get previews with generic AI summaries rather than letting me see a snippet of the actual content, and on and on. AI art will be matter of taste, I suppose, but AI evangelists have taken a novelty and worn out its welcome faster than redditors beating the dead horse of a joke into the ground.

      If companies weren’t constantly overselling its current capabilities and putting it in things it has no business being in, you would probably have a much less negative reaction to it. I’ll wait another few years to see what it actually shakes out to be useful for, but in the meantime, I don’t really want to hear about the latest and greatest AI-enabled toaster that uses cloud technology to predict when you want toast and to burn images based on voice prompts into your toast, while using a loaf-based block chain to identify which of your roommates should have used the heel of the loaf but skipped it.

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        Nuanced arguements with AI doesnt happen. A lot of the tech is currently being used as the next tech bubble yes, but it already has found legitimate and powerful use outside that as well. My luddite comment is more of a response to whenever I bring up its legit use I get comments like “Enjoy your tendies bootlicker” Luddites were a group that became synonymous with being left behind by technology because they went and burned down lace making factories during the advent of machines that could mass produce lace, and as such they are a VERY accurate comparison to the fuckers saying everything ai makes is garbage and theft.

        You dont have to wait years to see its actual use cases, AI gen is a powerful tool for people to access creative freedom who had previously been gatekeeped by skill levels, and I have English as a Second Language coworkers that tell me that ChatGPT has helped them practice their english conversation skills in private like no other program has before, and have heard a lot of talk from programmers that it has greatly sped up their coding workflow.

        Edit: This is why I’ve gone back to just laughing at the idiots angry they’re being left behind, any time I actually address any non made up concerns, people just downvote and verbally throw their own feces like the dumb monkeys that they are

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          I think that the problem you’re facing is that while you’re right about potential benefits of AI, you seem to completely ignore the downsides

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          AI gen is a powerful tool for people to access creative freedom who had previously been gatekeeped by skill levels

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            I’m gonna need context on why you quoted that. Are you amplifying it? Or are you mocking it? There’s no info to guess tone and meaning on

            Edit: Or downvote me I guess, that gives context too

            2nd Edit: Whoever responded to me, I’ve already deemed your opinion worthless due to earlier comments and cannot see what you’ve said because I blocked you, I can only see “1 more reply ->”. I’d say have a nice day, but I probably wouldnt mean it

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              Because it can only do that through theft of intellectual property. Also, just because you like using something that will obviously and quickly be used to tighten the shackles around your ankles, doesn’t mean that others have to enjoy their chains or lick boots.

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      Says the guy posting on an obscure, overly complicated version of a web forum primarily dedicated to Linux and other fringe technology and ideologies from a non-mainline instance lol

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        I don’t like cars but I still drive because it still brings me more in life than if I didn’t!