Run, you fucking piece of shit. Go go go gogogogogogog!

My niece told her grandmother about her fear of getting murdered at school. Feel that fear, asshole.

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    Everyone should run scared for their life from a mass shooting. It’s a mass shooting.

    Everyone should also do what they can to minimize gun deaths in this country, obviously this guy isn’t doing that, but that is unrelated to how he should act during a mass shooting.

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    This isn’t a “gotcha”. I’m a big fan of classic cars but that doesn’t mean I’ll stand there when one is driving fast straight at me.

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      I mean most pro-gun arguments boil down to “guns are needed because the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with one”, so when a large proponent of this argument is thrown into a situation where he could be the “good guy with a gun” and he instead runs away because he values his own life more than protecting the lives of those around him, maybe he should stop and dwell on that thought for a minute.

      Would I charge headfirst into gunfire? Absolutely not, and thats why I advocate for more gun control.

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        I carry to protect me and mine.

        You and yours can make the decision to carry or not. I’m not going to go out of my way to save anyone but my own kin. The police have no legal requirement to save you and they have legal protection from liability if they shoot something they should not. A conceal and carry holder has none of that.

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          That’s cute from a casual. I love the light anarchy manifesto.

          Now that I don’t carry an automatic weapon for part of my work, I see no reason to be part of the problem and I’m happy to leave it to the pros. But dunning-kruger is a hell of a thing.

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            Feel free to trust your personal safety and the safety of your family to a “pro”. When seconds count the police are just 20 minutes away.

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          So you don’t give a fuck if anyone lives except your “kin” and we’re supposed to feel safe with people like you walking around armed?

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            You are free to ensure your own safety. If you choose to depend upon others that is certainly your decision to make.

            Statistically conceal and carry holders are the safest segment of society. I would much rather be in a room full of registered conceal, and carry holders than police, or any other segment of society.

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          So your solution to the issue of mass shootings is that everyone should carry a gun on them at all times, and everyone should be ready to kill if necessary? And you don’t see the issue with that?

          I’m not saying you specifically should not carry or be ready to defend yourself, and I would be a fool to pretend that you shouldn’t be willing and able to defend yourself, especially with how things are now. But do you really want to live in a world where every citizen has to be ready and willing to kill his fellow man at the drop of a hat when things go to shit? Do you want your kids, grandkids, etc. to live in a world like that?

          The point isn’t that you shouldn’t be able to defend yourself. The point is that the fact that you need to is fucked up, and we shouldn’t accept it as the status quo.

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            My solution is to treat the cause. Mental Health and crime are certainly the two leading causes of mass shootings.

            A living wage, universal healthcare services, and a fair regulated economy Are solutions to the cause of the problem.

            I am not a liberal, I am a leftist. I think we have moved far too much to the right in this country which is why we have many of these problems in the first place.

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          Damn, you must live in a shithole if you need a gun in order to feel safe in your own country and home.

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            It sounds like you are privileged to live in an area bereft of all violence. Those of us who are not as privileged as you are still want to defend ourselves.

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    This strikes me as like implying that I’m hypocritical because I support gay marriage, but then turned down a man who hits on me because im not actually gay.

    A person can be pro gun rights and at the same time still be afraid of an active shooter.

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      I’m hypocritical because I support gay marriage, but then turned down a man who hits on me because im not actually gay.

      It would be ironic to loudly and repeatedly declare “If you don’t want to get hit on at a bar, put on that wedding ring” and then get chased out of a bar by a bunch of married men slapping your ass.

      A person can be pro gun rights and at the same time still be afraid of an active shooter.

      A person who stakes their reputation on the phrase “An Armed Society Is A Polite Society” fleeing said armed society for their lack of politeness establishes a certain hypocrisy.

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        A person who stakes their reputation on the phrase “An Armed Society Is A Polite Society” fleeing said armed society for their lack of politeness establishes a certain hypocrisy.

        Of course not.

        A handgun compares to a rifle like a dagger to a sword.

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            What did you not understand? A pistol is a gun, a rifle is a gun, a Soviet D-20 howitzer is a gun.

            You can’t be that stupid to call somebody a hypocrite for supporting carry of weapons for self-defense because they ran from a mass shooter with a rifle. People usually don’t carry rifles for self-defense.

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        A person fleeing that situation who may well be unarmed is self-preservation, not hypocrisy, regardless of their stance on guns. He is however reaping what he has helped sow. Hypocrisy is simply the wrong word. This isn’t the same as being anti-abortion and then paying for your mistress to get one. Being pro-gun doesn’t mean you just stand there.

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          A person fleeing that situation who may well be unarmed is self-preservation, not hypocrisy

          A person who insists everyone should be armed everywhere they go and then isn’t armed when he asserts a gun would have been handy is ironic.

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      They never are. And by “they,” I mean everyone who carries a gun for “protection,” and by “never,” I mean that the good guy with a gun almost never actually stops shootings.

      Just look at the numbers of justifiable homicides vs the number of murders by guns in the US. The justifiable homicides are almost statistically insignificant in comparison.

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          The person you are most likely to use a gun on is yourself.

          The second most likely person you are to use a gun on is your spouse, with men overwhelmingly preferring firearms as a form of spousal homicide.

          The third most likely person you are to use a gun on is a family/tenant.

          Home invaders are way down on the list of “at-home gun use” targets. And, to make things even more stick, police tend to be more concerned with facing an armed resident than actual burglars. This leads to a high rate of police homicides ruled justifiable, on the grounds that the officer entering the home believed that the resident possessed a gun.

          So, we’re looking at a solid four different likely ways keeping a gun in your home will result in the death of you or another lawful resident of your house.

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    9 months ago

    If Guns are so Safe why were people running AWAY from the Gun? Wouldn’t the Gunman be the Safest person there?