The fact they call vaccination an “important decision” as if it’s choosing chemo or so is just so stupid.
It’s an important decision in that it’s important to decide to not put your child at risk for polio.
Interesting, right after this interview from Ryan Grim:
Ryan Grim speaks to Ross Wightman about the side effects he experienced from a Covid-19 vaccine.
I think we should ask the true covid shot expert what his opinion is.
They’ve been blithering on about it in stereo surround sound since the first COVID cough (and long before that), what “silence”
Here’s betting on this not getting a sequel.
I envy your naive optimism
“My parents gambled with my health and that’s ok!”
And “my parents’ intellectual weakness put many others with immunological weaknesses at grave risk!”
“My parents are complete idiots and that’s not OK”
Yes, but unfortunately, it’s also “fuck it, increase risk of my kid/grandma dying a painful, early death”
Nobody would give two shits if that was the problem. The problem is that their behavior endangers the safety of others and the integrity of society.
I don’t just mean people who cannot be vaccinated. Without vaccines, lockdowns like the ones during the covid pandemic would be in effect pretty much all the time. We have functioning vaccines against diseases that are much worse than covid. We got lucky in 2020.
Society before vaccines didn’t have lockdowns all the time, the mortality was higher because you died of disease now almost forgotten. During epidemics a lot of things still had to get done, the corpses didn’t remove themselves, people still needed food, water and their shit carried off.
I’m not sure many people against vaccines these days have met anyone who got the diseases everyone is vaccinated for nowadays. Polio as a child? You survived? Great, you’ll have a limp and bad joints your whole life…
While the global scale of the covid lockdown was indeed unprecedented, quarantining and curfews were indeed used during the Spanish flu, bubonic plague and other widespread diseases. Back then, that was sufficient because population density was lower and the world was much less connected in general. Nobody went on a 2-week holiday trip to Bali during the bubonic plague, or huddled up in huge skyscraper office buildings for work, so the spreading of the disease was already slower.
Some years before covid (I think it was in 2012 or 2013), we got dangerously close to an ebola pandemic. That would have been fun, I imagine, I love bleeding out of all orifices and dying, my favorite past-time.
It did indeed have lockdowns! Public Health quarantines have a history that is thousands of years old. Polio would close public pools regularly when my parents were children.
Closing a pool and the 2020 insanity in some countries where you weren’t even allowed to walk your dog without self-certifying your outing as legal under the pseudo-curfew are very different, which is more what I meant by lockdowns since that’s what the contemporary meaning seems to be.
Florence has old as balls “wine holes”, where they serve wine through specially designed holes to limit the risk of spreading diseases.
Governments fought diseases back then just as hard or even harder than now.
They were originally meant to avoid taxes on storefronts but later repurposed, do you have any evidence it was government policy?
Quarantines in case of known infections are very different from shutting down arbitrary sectors of an economy because politicians said so, they don’t even compare to lockdowns in scope.
Did you even read some of the quarantines? There are several instances of them quarantining entire countries, no boats in or out. There’s instances of towns being isolated, etc.
Lastly, your first sentence is absolutely baffling. We KNEW COVID was everywhere, wtf are you even talking about? At its height, the US alone was having around 200,000+ confirmed cases a day. You are vastly underplaying how close our medical system came to collapsing in huge swathes of the country. There’s absolutely a reason why there’s a global shortage of doctors and nurses right now, the burnout during the pandemic was absolutely unreal for medical workers.
The kneejerk complete shutdown at the beginning was a tad overkill in some places, but that was because of so many unknown variables. The initial strains were absolutely more deadly, so why risk it? However, I don’t remember anywhere in the US going to extremes of making it so you couldn’t even walk outside. Now, places like China absolutely went way overkill with literally forcibly boarding people into buildings.
e you weren’t even allowed to walk your dog without self-certifying your outing as legal under the pseudo-curfew are very different
yeah god forbid you stop the spread of a pandemic that’s killed over 7 MILLION people.
boo fuckin hoo
Because going out on the street was going to make the spread of a respiratory virus much worse than being forced to stay home most of the time? Places with stricter policies didn’t have better adherence to the rules anyway, Swedish people were never forced to stay home and more did than in Italy or France.
aw poor baby.
People like to bitch and moan about the inconveniences endured during covid and would use terms like “doom sayers” to insult people who promoted lockdowns and vaccines. Under the guise of “it wasn’t that bad”.
Yeah, no shit Sherlock. Without lockdowns and vaccines it would’ve been ten times worse. We actually got relatively scot-free. Huge swaths of the developing world endured millions of deaths.
Anyone with more than two brain cells to run together, who learns about the “Spanish Flu” of 1918-1920, should immediately say “I’m getting vaccinated, I’m wearing a mask and I’m self isolating”. 50 million people died. 50 million! We got lucky with COVID because so many people unselfishly did those things.
50 million out of 1.8 billion population. Or 2.78% of the poulaton died.
Today the same death rate for a pandemic would be around 225 million people.
I was tracking the pandemic and the mortality rate among patients who had to be hospitalized during the initial strain was over 5% at times! People really don’t get how lucky we are that the omicron and subsequent variants has lower mortality. Imagining even 10 or 15% would completely collapse our medical system altogether.
Written by Dr. Polio N. Smolpox
Yea, imagine if the doctor who wrote that bullshit report was being controlled by a polio infection, or was just a conglomeration of diseased cells.
Normally these are funny. This one is just depressing.
I don’t understand how intentionally causing harm to others is legal.
The other side: “THAT’S OUR POINT EXACTLY!!1!”
We lump it under FREEDOM™
The same ones psychopaths demand they get while also trying to take it away from others.
Surprise surprise, her doctorate is in psychology. She works with special ed kids and I’m guessing she’s either decided or parents are self-reporting that they’re “vaccine injured.” 🙄 What an asshole.
“My little Johnny was a perfect student until the medical establishment gave him a learning disability!”
This seems to overlap psychologically with the “my child can do no wrong” crowd, the ones who blame teachers, coaches, librarians, video games, sugar, red dye, gluten, participation trophies, or pretty much anyone or anything except themselves for their child’s problems. The common thread is a profound lack of self-awareness.
On the anti-vaccination issue, there’s also a hefty dose of misinformation from people who are making money from selling the idea to gullible people, but there’s definitely a certain psychological profile who falls for it most often.
I feel like a lot of these parents are also doing the insidious thing of trying to justify that it isn’t “their genes” that are responsible. Like having Autism or something in your family is a dirty secret and “taints” their “family line”.
My aunt (worst human I’ve ever met) thinks the red dye thing is true too… Where do these people get their shit from!?
Vaccinations need to be mandatory.
Farthest thing from an anti-vaxer so please me out. There is a small select group of people who have legitimate reasons why they can’t get vaccinated.
Unless you are being told by your doctor you can not get vaccinated, you should get vaccinated. End of story. Heard immunity helps protect those in our society who have serious health issues and can’t get vaccinated.
Vaccination should be considered a required civic duty, but I do believe allowances should be made with individuals with certain health conditions.
Yep. This insanity has got to stop.
Dropping this book off at the hospital measles’s ward.
Be sure to also drop off some Bibles, if you’re including cruel or worthless material.
The Bible has more up to date health care advice than your average QAnoner, sadly.
I wonder if they are offering a bundle deal along with the sequel to the book about a lady who swallowed a fly titled When Bobby swallowed a little worm.
My favorite part was when he swallowed the ivermectin to kill the worm. The illustration for that page is particularly captivating.
My favorite is “I Swullod A Snale N Got Dain Bramage.”
Bobby Kennedy Jr.
Weren’t some states instituting book bans for subjects considered “harmful”? This seems like a prime opportunity to twist some poorly written state laws and do some actual good with them.
I’m not sure this book has actually been published in physical media, but I agree.
No I am wrong, you can buy it on Amazon.
No. States were removing books from school libraries based on content, though. I always feel a bit bitter when I research something and realize I’ve been misled. Book banning isn’t really allowed.
While this book existing is whatever, it shouldn’t be in any school. Hopefully no public libraries either.
Shannon Kroner is a PSYCHOLOGIST. She wrote a book about vaccines, as a psychologist.
How does being a psychologist constitute a reasonable qualification to have any weight on the matter? Vaccinations belong to the field of pharmacology, on which psychologists have no training whatsoever (possibly aside from psychiatric drugs) and if they do, they’re most likely a psychiatrist, in which case they’re doctor first and psychologist second.
The author has no qualifications whatsoever to talk about vaccines, aside from her doctoral dissertation, which I would consider questionable at best.
She’s a psychologist who works primarily with special education/special needs kids, and believes that a lot of developmental disabilities are the result of vaccinations.
So, she’s a moron.
Here’s the program she got her PsyD from.
She’s a psychologist, not a psychiatrist, so she has no training in pharmacology. Requirements for her program say nothing about organic chemistry.
I wonder if her program would be happy about her using her degree to make medical claims, considering it isn’t a medical degree.
see? she’s a scientist, therefore she knows what she’s talking about!
you aren’t going to question your own precious science, are you, liberal? didn’t you know all scientists study the same thing?
