• hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Guess nobody other than a Christian has ever been in a plane. Or maybe only Christians get in plane crashes because the others have prayers that work?

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    Actually, I’ve seen a compilation of plane crash last recordings, and literally all of them are pilots screaming at each other to maneuver and/or cursing at the top of their lungs.

    What’s hilarious is proof that religious propaganda is wrong is always extremely easy to find. Yet your dipshit demented christian grandparents or parents will regurgitate that trash non-stop anyway.

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    Ok it’s funny but black box doesn’t record audio from the cabin. Pretty sure it just has like flight data. From the airplane sensors. And logs of actions. ?

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      “Black box” usually refers to both the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder as a nebulous whole - some FDRs are also configured to record pilot mics as well but that’s not standard.

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      That’s what satanic media wants you to think. But actually, everyone on a plane has a microphone and all the audio goes directly to the big black cube in the middle, to be recorded and stored forever.

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    No one laughs at god in a hospital. No one laughs at god in a war…

    We are laughing at your dumb post because it references satan, as if satan, a demigod, needs a news channel to trick you into defying an omnipotent god.

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    Doing my morning walk through the churches in my neighborhood and there’s two old churches side by side, both rocking out, one sort of blues riffs, one a little more traditional rock. And as I often do, I stood for a moment taking it in - this is the Southern culture I think is fascinating and rich and… then I realize the blues one is now just doing a call and refrain “I don’t need no - evidence” over and over, and my dog’s like “let’s get the fuck out of here” and so we did.

    But it’s cute for a second if you don’t try to focus in on it. This is how religion should be taken in, and then hustle your ass along.

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      Yeah. It’s like doctors ; they really love it when people thank God for saving a patient. Usually it’s the dumbass family but it’s really a special moment when it’s the dumbass patient themselves.

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        What’s our opinion on thanking God for blessing doctors with the talent to save your life/lives of others? A bit more empathetic?

        (I’m not suggesting this is necessarily my belief, but for those who profess a love for God/Allah/etc, I think it is fair to both thank the creator they believe in as well as the people who work on them on earth).

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        I used to tell those types of people that gay, Trans etc was a test. Except it’s not the gay and trans people being tested. And they failed.

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      Yeah. “This violent tornado missed my home so close! Oh thank you, god!”

      Noone ever asks why their god created the tornado in the first place. Not even the neighbor whose house has been obliterated. He’s probably thanking god for being alive. It’s bizarre.

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        I remember seeing an SUV that had this in vinyl on their back window (paraphrased, I don’t remember the exact wording): “RIP so-and-so - God cured his suffering and took him to Heaven.”

        So, God either gets credit for killing the guy, or he gets credit for saving the guy. No matter what, God comes out as the good guy!

        I have no idea how people live in this mindset.

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          It’s purely emotional, irrational thinking, solely serves the purpose of giving a weak mind an easy way to feel better about bad things that happen.

          My mind doesn’t work that way, I can’t auto suggest myself out of logic - and to me, that kind of thinking is what is fundamentally wrong about this world. It makes people susceptible to all kinds of intellectual dishonesty.

          If you can lie yourself into believing obvious bullshit just because it’s comfortable, you will also be easily influenced by liars, charlatans and demagogues.

          I highly doubt that people like Trump would be possible In a predominantly atheist society with people who are used to scientific scepticism.

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    I heard one black box where the pilot’s final words were just a very resigned, almost conversational, “Goddamnit.”

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      Strong chance my final words will be “Oh shoot, shoooot.” Even tho I swear like a sailor, if it’s really bad, I go for clean language.

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      I heard one where the pilot exclaimed “we’re doing it!” [or something similar] as he managed to fly the 747 inverted, seconds before hitting the ocean.

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    Is this supposed to make me believe in God? As if people who die in a plane crash know more about the universe than me somehow? Does falling really fast instill some ancient forgotten knowledge in you?

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      I’ve gone bungie jumping; no revelations, just adrenaline.

      Fallen out of trees; sudden stop hurts like fuck.

      Jumped into water from at least 10m; wet, fun.

      Other drops at various speed and landings. No ancient forgotten knowledge acquired.

      All data I’ve collected personally indicates you do not get revelations at less than a 50m drop.

      Note: not peer reviewed, sample size small, subject survived all falls with no more than minor injuries.

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      To me, the logic is similar to "I can PROVE God exists. Look at the way this banana fits in my hand… "

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    This mfer has never heard of selection bias.

    What are the bets they’re in the US, and hearing about crashes mostly in the US?

    Christianity may be the largest religion in the world, but it’s a plurality, not a majority.

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        I dunno, seems pretty rock solid that the majority of people aren’t praying to the Christian god [edit: worldwide, which is my point], seeing as nowhere even close to a majority of people on earth are Christian.

        There are all sorts of religions out there, and many who don’t believe in religion at all.

        I do agree that all humans are prone to bias, that’s why it’s so important to be aware of it in order to mitigate it.

        The OOP making some stupid religious claims, definitely is not aware.

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      Same for the other side. All the countless times where God miraculously saves the plane in the last moment lost to history. No news report, no one will check the black box. It’s just another Tuesday

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          Because of Poe’s Law. Sometimes I try to make my intentions obvious but sometimes I just don’t care

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            Did you mean Poe’s Law? That would imply you only made the claim about divine selection bias sarcastically, and we all just thought you were being serious.

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              Did you mean Poe’s Law?

              I meant what I said and I said Poe’s Law. I don’t understand your question.

              And I didn’t mean that god selects. I meant that we only talk about those who crash. It was a thought experiment

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          Because there is no magic sky magician letting kids die a gruesome leukemia death, while saving a specific plane because a special favorite person of his happens to be on board the aircraft. There’s just physics and mechanics and pilots and things going right and things going wrong.

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            The comment is obviously sarcasm / a joke

            Making the sarcastic statement that “we don’t hear about god saving planes at the last moment but it does happen”

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              That person has gone on to repeatedly double down on the position elsewhere in the comments, I’m afraid to say the hivemind was right on this one and they sure appear to be a whackdoodle that actually believes what they said there.

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          It’s because they missed the point of my comment. That it’s selection bias to claim that everyone is praying to the Christian god, when statistically, that can’t be true, even if they are praying.

          The selection bias had nothing to do with selecting the planes that crashed, but selecting planes that crashed in the US, which is a much more Christian country than many other places.

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            1. I don’t even believe OOP’s premise. There might be a majority with prayers at the end but I don’t think it’s every single one.
            2. I think they only care about the US. It’s not selection bias but ignorance about the rest of the world.

            That said, OOP’s argument wasn’t that their god is real but that deep down, everyone is religious. Still they made it into a truth claim about their religion. The commenter took the truth claim and ran with it.

            I thought about putting “/s” in my first comment but it didn’t feel quite right. It was more a thought experiment. Applying selection bias to the reply. It was only the second comment when I entered troll mode.

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        Surely if it was a miracle there’d be some supernatural residue left over. Holy ectoplasm.

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            There’s a complete absence of evidence for everything you can just make up.

            I claim that the universe was created by Ralph the Wonderllama who lives on Proxima Centauri B and who owns all albums by Simply Red.

            But hey, no evidence of absence, right? So my claim is valid, right? And you suddenly don’t care how unlikely it is, right?

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              I claim that the universe was created by Ralph the Wonderllama who lives on Proxima Centauri B and who owns all albums by Simply Red.

              And I respect that belief

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                Yeah but respect isn’t proof, and you’re the one that made the assertion requiring evidence here…

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                  And I respect that you are critical of what I said! We need critics to grow. A critical mind is a gift of God

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            so you didn’t know which god saved them either. It could be the flying spaghetti monster. (note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement)

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              so you didn’t know which god saved them either.

              Neither do you.

              note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement

              That’s demonstrably false. I made my statement yesterday and religions exist for way over 70 years. Destroyed by pure logic. Checkmate atheist.

              If you want to know what really starts religions, check out Daniel O. McClellan’s book “YHWH divine images” chapter 2. You find the PDF for free just by searching the title.

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                Neither do you.

                Yes, but importantly you can’t demonstrate that it was a god that saved them. We’ll deal with the issue of which one it was once we get past that first problem.

                That’s demonstrably false.

                Er… Well, this seems like a great opportunity for you to prove that. Though I suspect you misunderstood the initial comment here.

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            Yes, but absence of evidence isn’t evidence for anything.

            It’s wild how many need to find them some scientific method.

            I was only pointing out, in my original comment, that I’m sure around the world people pray/say all sorts of things when a plane is crashing, not just the Christian god. But because they’re only focusing on crashes in the US, they are concluding that everyone prays to god (presumably, the Christian one).

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            Isnt it though? If i say i own a car but never carry car keys, my home has no garage or on-street parking spot, that is evidence that i dont own a car.

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              (dunno if you’re being sarcastic)

              It’s just a twee catchphrase christians came up with to say you can’t prove a negative. It’s not anything new, and it’s not actually contributing anything. It’s a core aspect of “burden of proof”, and this is just a way of shifting said burden to the people asking for evidence of the divine instead of leaving it on the people asserting that the divine exists in the first place.