Lol the best part is that she forces them to learn something.
It’s funny, because even as an agnostic I knew this.
People get really upset about burning it as a form of desecration
In Islamic law, believers must not damage the Quran and must perform a ritual washing before touching it.[1] Conversely, intentional damage to copies is considered blasphemous in Islam. It is a point of controversy whether non-Muslims should be made to follow Islamic law,[2] and a sensitive topic in international relations how it should be handled when Muslims demand adherence to Islamic Quranic practices by nonbelievers
In 2010, Christian pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center, a church in Gainesville, Florida, provoked condemnation from Muslims after announcing plans to burn a Quran on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks on the United States.[15] He later cancelled the plans;[16] however, on March 20, 2011, he oversaw the burning of a Quran. In response, Muslims in Afghanistan rioted and 12 people were killed.[17]
On March 19, 2015, Farkhunda Malikzada, a 27-year-old Afghan woman, was publicly beaten and killed by a mob of hundreds of people in Kabul.[23][24] Farkhunda had previously been arguing with a mullah named Zainuddin, in front of a mosque where she worked as a religious teacher,[25] about his practice of selling charms at the Shah-Do Shamshira Mosque, the Shrine of the King of Two Swords,[26] a religious shrine in Kabul.[27] During this argument, Zainuddin reportedly falsely accused her of burning the Quran. Police investigations revealed that she had not burned anything.[25] A number of prominent public officials turned to Facebook immediately after the death to endorse the murder.[28] After it was revealed that she did not burn the Quran, the public reaction in Afghanistan turned to shock and anger.[29][30] Her murder led to 49 arrests
Since 2020, the Danish party Stram Kurs and the party leader Rasmus Paludan have planned or orchestrated Quran burnings in multiple Swedish cities. This has resulted in numerous riots in Swedish cities against both planned and realized desecrations, notably the 2020 Sweden riots and 2022 Sweden riots
On June 28, 2023, Salwan Momika, an Iraqi immigrant living in Sweden burned a copy of the Quran and played football with the copy, outside Stockholm’s central mosque. The Swedish police had granted a permit for the demonstration, after a Swedish court ruling that allowed it on the grounds of freedom of expression. The incident led to international protests.
However, he was assassinated the day before the verdicts was due to be released, possibly due to his Quran burning activities
On July 20, 2023, hundreds of protesters stormed the Swedish embassy in Baghdad in response to a planned Quran burning in Stockholm, prompting Iraqi authorities to expel the Swedish ambassador and recall their chargé d’affaires.
On 13 February 2025 Hamit Coşkun was attacked by Moussa Kadri with a knife for burning the Quran outside the Turkish consulate in London.
In March 2013, the al-Qaeda English-language magazine Inspire published a poster stating “Wanted dead or alive for crimes against Islam” with a prominent image of Terry Jones, known for public Quran burning events.[65] Iran’s news agency, IRIB, reported on April 8, 2013, that Terry Jones planned another Quran burning event on September 11, 2013. On April 11, IRIB published statements from an Iranian MP who said the West must stop the event and warned that “the blasphemous move will spark an uncontrollable wave of outrage among over 1.6 billion people across the globe who follow Islam.” In Pakistan, protesters set the American flag and effigy of the US pastor Terry Jones on fire, condemning the 9/11 plan, according to an April 14, 2013 article in The Nation.
Pretending to be cool about burning the Qur’an is just pretending to be civilized for westerners. We had a dude burn one in the UK and someone came out with a knife to attack him, and that was like last month. Only western countries permit protest like this.
I think you mean this one
On 13 February 2025 Hamit Coşkun was attacked by Moussa Kadri with a knife for burning the Quran outside the Turkish consulate in London.
Why was the dude burning a Qur’an?
The 51-year-old wrote posts on social media detailing his plan and saying it was to “protest the Islamist government” of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, whom he claimed “has made Turkey a base for radical Islamists and is trying to establish a Sharia regime”, the court heard.
Why was he burning a Qur’an rather than holding a sign? Don’t be coy.
Coy? I’m just sharing what I found about the protester. I don’t know any more than that. If you know more, as you seem to imply, you could share it
Why was he burning a Qur’an rather than holding a sign?
I think you double posted
Who cares? Stabbing people for high emissions in the ULEZ is a bit excessive
You know why he was doing it. Why be so coy?
I don’t really care why, stabbing someone for it is lunatic behaviour.
There’s no need to pretend to be civilized for Westerners. Most are familiar with the barbarism of their modern colonial history. If anything, Western and civilized are quite contradictory.
It was Westerners that used their religious book to justify enslaving 12.5 million people and treated them as chattel. I can’t think of a more profound lack humanity in modern human history. Actually the next few that come to mind are also Western atrocities.
Protest like what? The burning or the stabbing?
Thank you for showing the difference between the magical land of the internet and the real world.
Wait, is it true that you have to burn a Quran if you’re going to dispose of it? I’d like to know the reasoning behind that, I bet it’s interesting. Or is she just trolling the troll?
Burial, a body of running water or burning appear to be the proper ways of disposal of a damaged or old Quran.
So I can just fling it in a creek?
No, you have to do some additional steps like wrapping it in additional material or putting flowers or something that involves throwing even more stuff into the creek to show you care.
If you only throw one thing it is littering. If you throw a bunch of stuff in a predetermined way it is being respectful.
It seems notable that two of those three are also how many societies dispose of human bodies. As I understand it Islam is generally against cremation of humans, but at least from my outside perspective it seems like the usage of cremation by pre-Islamic societies in the region could still lead to it being seen as respectful even if it’s no longer held as suitable for humans
That said it’s also kind of the exact opposite of Zoroastrian funerary practice so I dunno
The US flag code requires burning. Cremation is a thing. Burning is a respectful way to dispose of things in a lot of cultures.
Burial is also considered acceptable, AFAIK
Flag is a pretty good comparison. Burning is the recommended disposal method, but people want to ban it and/or get very upset when it’s burned
In my country (eu) it’s illegal to burn the national flag. It’s also illegal to burn a picture of the king (offence to the crown), and making a post like this but with a bible would be considered ‘offence to the religious sentiments’ (this is only for catholics, the feelings of other believers be damned).
Yeah, there are a lot of reasons that I oppose laws against burning or defacing things as part of a protest by default and those are some examples of why.
If done as part of an implicit threat, like buring with chants about committing violence it should count as part of the threating message, but not by itself as a symbol of defiance or to just cause offense.
SCOTUS has previously ruled that burning the American flag is protected speech, but I believe they have upheld (or just not heard cases against) state laws that burning crosses is hate speech or threatening speech (which are not protected.)
Burning a cross in America is not a message that you hate Christians. It’s deeply associated with the racist organization the ku klux klan and their extrajudicial murders of black people.
So yeah you can do the thing associated with being mad at a country but not the thing associated with “get your melinated skin in line as per our beliefs or we kill your entire family”
Yes, SCOTUS has consistently ruled that threats of violence are different than protesting.
Burning a cross on someone’s lawn is an implicit threat of future violence because that is the only historical use of burning crosses on someone’s lawn. Burning a flag in a public space is saying you disagree with the government, which is a protest.
Catholic monarchy… Spain?
Ding ding!
There was an extremely funny incident in the UK in the run up to the Brexit referendum in which a seething pro-Brexiter tried to burn an EU flag only to be thwarted by the fact that EU regulations made sure the flag was fireproof
It’s still wild to me that in 2025 democracies allow themselves to have royalty. What a farce!
It’s because there’s a specific way you’re supposed to burn the flag for disposal. It’s a whole ceremony.
I think even the Bible can be burned.
Hold on, I’ll go test.
Interesting fact: any paper containing the word “allah” can’t be thrown away or disposed of using any other method than burning. That’s why Quran has to be burned.
This is done to prevent the text from coming into contact with “Nagasat” (impurities), which include but aren’t limited to: human waste, sperm, mensural blood, most bodily fluids in general, dog saliva, spirits/drinkable alcohol, swine meat/fat/anything, decomposing garbage, etc.
I think I got most of them but I’m not 100% sure.
Now, if your name actually contains the word, then you’re stuck here with me having to burn receipts and whatnot for your entire life.
I’m so very disappointed that our Muslim cousins have been lead towards such arrogance as to call our god Allah. It’s disrespectful and intolerant behaviour, and unchristlike.
I know you’re trolling, but for anyone else curious: the word “Allah” means god.
We have two words for deity: “Elah” (often in polytheistic contexts), and “Allah” (in the Abrahamic monotheistic sense)
Both words mean “god”. The word Allah is more specific in that it implies monotheism. It has no plural form. Semantically it means “the one true deity”.
The closest analogues are the Hebrew Yahweh/Jehovah.
Arabian Christians use the same word (Allah) to refer to god in their prayer and literature. Their word for Jesus is يسوع (transliteration: Yasoo’a), although the last letter (Ain ع) can’t be pronounced in English.
And that’s what’s so arrogant and intolerant about the word allah. Every time it’s used, it’s a declaration that only one god exists. How can you love your neighbours if you attack their beliefs every time you pray? You can’t. Jesus wouldn’t want us saying such thoughtlessly mean-spirited things. He’d want Arabic speakers to say Elah instead.
We have two words for deity: “Elah” (often in polytheistic contexts), and “Allah” (in the Abrahamic monotheistic sense)
Both words mean “god”. The word Allah is more specific in that it implies monotheism. It has no plural form. Semantically it means “the one true deity”.
tl;dr Elah means god, Allah means God
Yes
does that mean that if any book, mentions allah, even in as a passing mention, has to be disposed by cremation? or that rule only applies to specific religious texts?
Anything. Like if someone wrote my name and phone number on a piece of paper they have to burn it when they’re done with it.
so if a pulp fiction novel mentioned allah somewhere, does it has to be treated specially?
Most Arabic literature avoids using the word outright unless it’s dedicated to the topic. Even Islamic books often refer to god by other names (e.g the creator, the merciful, the god of gods)
Fictional books are even less likely to use the word.
What happens if someone writes blasphemies against Allah, citing him by name, on a piece of paper? Does that still merit all the pomp and ceremony, or can it be thrown in the bin?
Stupid thought exercise
What about different media
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Stone. Can a just send a Muslim I don’t like huge cement blocks with the word allah edged into them and they will have to keep them as there is no save way to discard them
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Digital. The servers of sh.itjust.works now contain the word allah. Does the word come into contact with the pictures of dog shit that are also saved on the server. Is it OK to delete the servers or will they need to be burned down as well
- What if someone shouts “Allah!” very loudly through a speaker and the vibrating air, which is now carrying the word “Allah”, touches the butts of two gay men having gay sex gayly. Has the perspn who shouted committed a sin by not acoustically isolating the sacred name from gay tushies?
Ya’ll are just describing why religion always fails at it’s purported task of making a better populace. When rituals and ceremony take over from the psudo-philosophy and self-reflection, you get BS pointless rules like these that then go on to harm all other aspects of the religion.
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Can you cut the paper in half so that you no longer have a piece of paper with the word “Allah” on it?
You probably could but not everyone will
There was one historical context where it was disposed that way under supervision of prophet’s old friends and religious leaders.
I do also remember my religious studies teacher saying it’s permitted as “just throwing to dump is more disrespectful,” however you MUST not have bad intentions.
Also not all Muslims took religious studies in middleschool curricilum and a lot of topics are debatable so people will get mad regardless. All muslims won’t simply be “cool with it.”
Hope this helps!
It does help, thanks a lot!
I was curious as well so I looked it up. Cornell does list burning as an acceptable method of disposing the Koran. Other methods include burial (but at a respectful place), sinking it in a river, and shredding.
It does strike me as being more respectful than just tossing it in the garbage.
They used to reuse books too, so it prevents someone from coming along and covering up the word of God with homicidal rabbits
Where is Rayman when you need em…
You called?
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She is pretending the Muslims are ok with it and he is just being silly and juvenile and no one cares, but in reality Muslims have already rioted and murdered several people for it.
I’ve seen this before years ago and props to her, but today for some reason my thinking was “That Koran has such a badass cover, it looks like a book of spells.”
We need to put more square-kufic calligraphy on book covers lmao.
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I would LOVE one 3D-style on some geometry textbook title cover like how artist dapoerkufi does with country names.
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As an exmuslim, I’m disappointed in this comment section.
islam is NOT your friend. Simping for it just shows that you’re either ignorant or you’re hypocrite with not prinicples. islam, as an ideology is so unbelievably vile that it’s a very strong contender for being the worst ideology in history. Pedophilia, sex slavery, rape, misogyny, wife beatings, normal slavery, genocide, terrorism, homophobia, violent colonialism, apartheid governance, censorship, intentional discrimination and hatred, and barbaric capital punishment are all explicitly allowed and encouraged in the islamic scriptures.
This is not just me making things up, I can literally show you either verses from the quran, sahih hadiths, or both explicitly allow and encourage every single one of these. I’m against bigotry and bigots, however, I am also against those who cover for them. In this case, islam is just as bigoted, if not more bigoted, than the person in the post, and the people covering for islam aren’t any better. I will always stand tall and proud on the side of people who exercise their right to free speech to criticize islam, and expose the religion for what it is, despite the dangers of doing so.
Thank you for your perspective, I feel like I hear a lot about exMormon and exCatholic but not much about exIslam
*ex Muslim
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Pedophilia, sex slavery, rape, misogyny, wife beatings, normal slavery, genocide, terrorism, homophobia, violent colonialism, apartheid governance, censorship, intentional discrimination and hatred, and barbaric capital punishment are all explicitly allowed and encouraged in the islamic scriptures.
so the same as every other abrahamic religion?
Sounds like Christianity to me! Judging by the bible that I read 4 times. Literally my second most read book.
I find it very frustrating how islam, and only islam, gets excused for all the shit it has. There will always be someone rushing in to defend it with type of pointless nonsense. islam is bad on its own merits, you don’t need to defend on meaningless generalizations. Just because other religions have their own shitty verses that does NOT excuse, justify, or negate what’s in islam. People can and should criticize it on its own for what it is.
there is nothing in the quran that is any more problematic than things mentioned in the bible ane torah. your racism is showing
I’m literally Arab and ex muslims, calling me a racist for criticizing islam doesn’t make me racist, it makes a complete idiot.
lol
I agree with you and would expand that to cover most major religions, particularly the abrahamic ones.
I also think bigotry is evil because it’s blind hatred of anyone belonging to a group. There are decent enough people that are Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Admittedly most don’t closely follow their religion (particularly the fucked up parts) – but they still identify as such.
There’s a difference between attacking a belief system and attacking huge, diverse groups of people. Somehow I don’t think Ultra Nuclear’s intent was the former.
The big issue that I have is that muslims and Western leftists ALWAYS try to conflate criticism of islam with bigotry against muslims no matter how wrong that is. It doesn’t matter to them how valid, well thought, and factual criticism is, the label of bigotry is more often than not used as tool to censor criticism of islam rather than call out genuine bigotry. I already have people replying to me doing exactly this.
I also find it annoying just how far leftist in the West are willing to deepthroat the boot of islam, even it explicitly against them and everything they stand for. They can’t resist but defend it for whatever reason, and if they don’t defend it, then try to downplay it by trying to bring in other religions into the conversation. You’re not allowed to criticize islam on it own by its own merits, you will ALWAYS get people that try to whatabout with Christainity and Judaism, as if that changes anything about islam. Other religions have their shitty elements and those should be discussed under posts about them, but when we have posts about islam, we need to criticize it, by itself, for what it is.
I know I’m late in replying (life) but I’d say it’s because most people’s experience of hearing criticism of Islam in the west is it coming from assholes of the white supremacist variety. They are overwhelmingly the loudest and most proliferate critics of Islam, so people start associating the two – and unfortunately that assumption is correct more times than not.
It’s a given considering most western leftists are fairly ignorant on the topic of Islam and have a tendency to diametrically oppose everything bigots claim. Now throw in assholes that will exploit those facts to push their fucked up beliefs.
Both are equally fucking cringe.
One for being an obvious hypocrite in opposition of religion and only burning one of the books.
One for pretending that muslims doesn’t try to murder those that burns “their” book.
Fuck both of them.
Dude wait till you hear about this religion called Christianity.
Are you blind or stupid? I told you that he’s a hypocrite for only burning one of the books.
Hey thanks for the feedback my reasonable and stoic nonreligious friendo.
I believe you have misunderstood the original post and may not be familiar with the history of religions which a-ok buckeroo.
So chief, Christians and Muslims have historically been at each others throats and both have committed horrific imperialistic atrocities as a result.
Champ, when you see something like this, its usually another religious person doing it. That’s not hypocrisy because they actually believe in their version of God. They’re not anti religion like a big strong intelligent atheist like you are. They are anti any religion that’s not theirs.
That being said, I sense much anger in you friendo. Have you considered religion to help you navigate this emotional turmoil?
Cool bit of condescention there buckaroo. I believe the issue was your reading comprehension.
So chief, Christians and Muslims have historically been at each others throats and both have committed horrific imperialistic atrocities as a result.
Yeah? No shit Sherlock.
Champ, when you see something like this, its usually another religious person doing it. That’s not hypocrisy because they actually believe in their version of God. They’re not anti religion like a big strong intelligent atheist like you are. They are anti any religion that’s not theirs.
Yes, and i believe i said something along the line of “raging hypocrisy” and fuck them both. So what exactly is your point other than a feeling good about being smug and condescending?
That being said, I sense much anger in you friendo. Have you considered religion to help you navigate this emotional turmoil?
Nope. In fact, religious people and their pompous rightousness is what drive the fury within. They and you are quite similar.
Ok champ. Stay safe and remember to be kind.
Hm yes all Muslims are exactly the same
Hey, if the shoe fits the religious foot.
Except it doesn’t. The girl in the post is actively proving you incorrect
I didn’t realise Muslims were responding to shit like this with “we’re not vampires with garlic idiot.” But I like it.
So he should have eaten the book with some bacon.
Burning a Quran because you hate Muslims is bigoted but burning a Quran (or any holy text) because the priestly class is how the ruling class maintains control over the working class in almost every society and religion is tool of oppression is a chad move.
The bacon thing is a dead giveaway that this is bigotry.
both are bigotry actually. Theology is a science, almost as old as mathematics. It predates classes to begin with.
How exactly is it a science? A philosophical persuit? Most definitely and a very serious one at that. But a science? Not sure how the scientific method applies
ngl, I had to google to realize that English word “science” doesn’t encapsulate things like mathematics, law, literature…ect. I used a literal translation here, mah bad. I should’ve said discipline or study here. Thanks for pointing it.
Unfortunately, this happens in English alot. Well have five words to discuss a concept, but all slightly differently and they’re not interchangeable
haven’t you ever heard of christian science? it’s not science either, by scientific standards, but believers LOVE to muddy the waters and cast their FAITH as something tangible, provable, worthy of science.
It’s all a distraction, again, from actual science.
provable
yes, theologians argue that logic is enough to prove the existence of God: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalam_cosmological_argument
If you refute logic/reason cuz you only like science that you experiment on, then you’re too caught in the material buddy. Remember that math doesn’t seem to follow the scientific method either you know ? Please don’t tell me you refute it too.I notice that the word I know in my language kalam is a little different from theology, but theology is the closest translation I have.
Mathematics is all about developing logical tools. Basically things like “if we start with this assumption, then you can make this conclusion”. After you’ve developed all of these tools, then you can look at the universe around you and apply those tools to your observations in order to come to new conclusions about that same universe. There necessarily needs to be that input that ties it back to reality. Mathematics on its own doesn’t tell us anything about reality.
idk, it seems to have described so much about the universe with so few input. And can just study itself like in “Gödel’s incompleteness theorems” to give constraints on what you aspire to achieve with it. I’d call math/logic/reason fairly strong by themselves.
with so few input
Yes, few inputs. Not none.
I’d call math/logic/reason fairly strong by themselves.
What does strong mean in this context? It’s a very useful tool. No one is denying that. It just doesn’t tell us anything about the universe without input from that same universe.
theologians argue that logic is enough to prove the existence of God
they have to. science keeps painting ‘god’ into a smaller and smaller corner every day.
Remember that math doesn’t seem to follow the scientific method either you know
LOLOLOL
it’s repeatedly provable, stood the test of time, like the scientific method, it’s consistency and reproducibility weigh much more than philosophy stack exchange k thnks.
this really isn’t a discussion I’m interested in continuing.
they have to. science keeps painting ‘god’ into a smaller and smaller corner every day.
I feel like I know who you’re quoting, and I remember encountering: https://www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-debate-hawkings-idea-that-the-universe-had-no-beginning-20190606/
to quote the part that appeals to me:In their 2017 paper (opens a new tab), published in Physical Review Letters, Turok and his co-authors approached Hartle and Hawking’s no-boundary proposal with new mathematical techniques that, in their view, make its predictions much more concrete than before. “We discovered that it just failed miserably,” Turok said. “It was just not possible quantum mechanically for a universe to start in the way they imagined.” The trio checked their math and queried their underlying assumptions before going public, but “unfortunately,” Turok said, “it just seemed to be inescapable that the Hartle-Hawking proposal was a disaster.”
Theology is a discipline, almost as old as mathematics. It predates classes to begin with.
BULLSHIT.
The theocrat was the original ‘high class’. The priests have been grifting the commons since day one. All knowing, all loving, all powerful god, WHO SOMEHOW NEEDS TEN PERCENT OF MY EARNINGS?
theology is a discipline of grift and deceiving the masses.
WHO SOMEHOW NEEDS TEN PERCENT OF MY EARNINGS?
zakat is actually 2.5% of your hoarded (for a whole year) money that exceeds 87.48 grams of gold, given to the poor. Shouldn’t that actually be a means to elimination of class ?
give money to the poor any day. giving it to a church, temple, mosque etc., is just ignoring the truly needy.
They ask you, [O Muhammad], what they should spend. Say, “Whatever you spend of good is [to be] for parents and relatives and orphans and the needy and the traveler. And whatever you do of good - indeed, Allah is Knowing of it.” 1
I know right?
just like christians and the good samaritan - they know it’s part of their core beliefs but… ¯_ (ツ)_/¯ they choose to keep giving money to anyone but the ones who truly need it.
why is it so hard for believers to actually hew to the values their beliefs are built around? so strange… it’s like, they believe in an all powerful deity but somehow think he won’t notice them ignoring the needy?
and it’s not all believers. goodness knows. but so many…
Are you using “Tu Quoque” here? basing on a “Hasty Generalization” I assume ?
If you’re basing on Saudi Arabia or UAE, please notice that you’re basing on a country that is pro Israel, meaning literally invaded.
Huh seems like you need that to be the truth 🤷♂️
Doesn’t sound particularly progressive. 87g of gold is like $10k and it’s a flat rate. Empirically there are plenty of Muslim billionaires anyway, so it ain’t working. Would be interesting to tot up billionaires per capita by religion but I don’t think it would be particularly meaningful because the US skews everything, and how “practicing” someone is of their religion is impossible to measure.
Under an Islamic rule, the Muslim is forced to do this donation. And Muslim billionaires are not all of a sudden all pious because they have this label. Islamic law doesn’t eliminate the need to study politics and sociology you know. Many Muslim scholars, claimed that it could in fact end the poverty in the Islamic world if really all obliged muslims paid their zakat (which is a requirement for Islam, not like a side quest, and should be enforced legally), among them Dr. Abd Al-Rahman bin Hamood Al-Sumait a humanitarian. This might appeal to you?: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/jun/22/zakat-requires-muslims-to-donate-25-of-their-wealth-could-this-end-poverty
Just the normalizaton of this practice is good ngl.
If a billionaire donates 2.5% of his money out of their goodwill they get bunch of supporters and tax breaks and people forget allegation on how they raped someone and so on.
Meanwhile even kings, who could do whatever the fuck at the time, were expected donate at least 2.5% in 600s.
More progressive taxing can not only be justified in hindsight of modern capitalism, but can become commonplace and expected too.
Also unrelated but not a single king quit being royalty because they had to donate 2.5% of their ownings so that “taxing the billionaires would unmotivate people to start business” was absolute bs for a good 1400 years lmao.
Nothing really predates classes. Classes existed since the first civilizations on Earth. You might be claiming it predates capitalism and that’s definitely true but the ruling/working class divide is much older than capitalism.
I tried to discuss with ChatGPT and he suggested:
The San (Bushmen) of southern Africa believed in a creator deity and spirits of the dead.
Does this work as a counter example ?
Having a belief system is different from having a religion. Organized religion likely came about out of the need to legitimize power structures (otherwise, why the hell would the populace, which outnumber the ruling class, not fight back against their injustices?)
You are right that the San seem to have a classless (or, as wikipedia describes it, egalitarian) society. So it works as a counter-example to my claim that “nothing predates classes”.
otherwise, why the hell would the populace, which outnumber the ruling class, not fight back against their injustices
I don’t really know, seems like something that “Political Sociology” treats. Experiments (like the popular Stanford prison experiment) were done on multiple frameworks, and suggest so many variables to explain division among people of same class. Restricting interpretation to religion (while there are so many belief systems) seems to me like oversimplification. Like We had secular states eventually, and it’s not like classes vanished, or authoritarian regimes stopped being.
In my personal opinion, the division is the most interesting aspect of why people fail to do anything about their (our actually) miserable state. Because when you know that doing a protest leads you to receive sexual violence (rape using electricity&pipes) from the prison guard (who is actually from the same class as you), and the people for whom you did protest will just denounce you for doing “chaos” in the “peaceful” country, it makes sense that you wouldn’t bother.
Here I’m thinking about the current Egyptian regime, which has a documented historical relationship with Soviet / Russian security methods (training, organization, approach of secret policing).Why people are deceived by scholars of the palace? That would buffle me for eternity when The Prophet of Islam said:
“The most feared thing I fear for my Ummah — community — are the misguided leaders and corrupt scholars.”
“When knowledge is sought for other than Allah, it will be removed from the people until only the scholars of evil remain.”
(Ibn Majah, al-Tabarani — meaning: those who use knowledge for power or wealth.)
“The best jihad is a word of truth before a tyrannical ruler.”
(Sunan al-Nasa’i, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi)
His grandson Also died refusing to accept the undemocratic rule of monarchy (in before there used to be a system of election after the Prophet’s death): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husayn_ibn_Ali#Uprising
ps: the Wikipedia article isn’t the best, but I just want to bring the revolutionary aspect of my religion to your attention.
Personally I don’t think they actually did burn the Quran I think they just got a picture, otherwise they’ve gone out and bought a purchased with their own money, how many times are they going to do that.
These are the people who smashed Keurig machines and burned items that they owned.
I think you may be overestimating the intelligence levels of people who do this shit. They will spend stupid amounts of money on troll acts.
True, but the fact that the photo is actually a decent photo is evidence against.
Also, most of them don’t look like the kind of person that would waste bacon grease.
And burning a Qur’an because it’s old and you need to dispose of it is just the way Muslims use to do it.
Everything that I’ve ever read has been that Qurans are kept essentially forever or buried in some traditions. Like, verses from the Quran in other publications will be printed specifically not in Arabic so the magazine or newspaper can be discarded at the end.
Yes, you shouldn’t just discard it, specially if it is the Qur’an (100% arabic without any additions), because that is considered the word of god. But even for those it is considered the respectful way to either burn or bury them.
Any book that also contains translations or tafsir (comments for context) is not even considered to be the Qur’an, and the rules about only touching them while pure don’t apply. Some might still treat it the same way, because it’s important to them though.
Good god i love how lefty lemmy can be sometimes lol
I thought this we were a bit more cultured, better informed people than reddit, but after reading the amount of ignorant and absolute bigoted comments on this post, apparently we’re definitely not an inch better
Under what circumstances would anyone need to dispose of a book?
When someone dies and it’s part of their estate sale, and nobody wants to buy the book, and bookstores & thrift stores don’t want to receive it as donation?
Not in the case of books treated as timeless, but we do print a lot of contemporary stuff that is designed to become irrelevant. School books, manuals, law books, phonebooks etc. It traditionally was and still is a convinient form of sharing a lot of information. Computers with dynamically changing content are there to replace it now, but they are yet to do so, and there are good reasons for it.
I think the last time I saw a phonebook was over 10 years ago.
You just reminded me about 30 years ago when I used to be mormon, we didn’t know it at the time, but all the church leadership from the higher-ups were encouraging everyone to purchase new scriptures and get rid of our old ones. Turns out they had changed a lot of the text to erase past “doctrinal” concepts/faux pas 😳 . Sketchy. Of course they didn’t tell us they changed anything in the scriptures but scholars over the years dug it up and did the comparisons.
perhaps if the book degrades to an unusable state
Look, if you stab someone to death because they burned your holy book, maybe stab yourself first pls.
what is this bot response
Why are you burning it?
Cuz it fits nicely on the burning pile with the Bible and the Torah :)
And we’re stirring up religious division because of what reason?
Because we want religious people to divide the heck away from us, post-haste
Bollocks. You know why. Just say it.
because it goes against lemmy.ml ToS of no homophobia, no sexism, etc
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.
You know who founded that instance right. They’re not good people, so getting holy and then thou about a book violating your rules is a bit weird.
When ya gonna start on the conservative party?
So because a book that is over 1000 years old goes agains ToS of a few year old lemmy instance, you feel the need to burn it?
Why wouldn’t you just ignore it? I think the real reason might be a different one, and you should probably evaluate your feelings to find that out.
Remember, we all have internalised racism in us, the difference is just how aware we are of it, and how we handle it.
…you want to ignore sexism? Something something white moderates something
Right so instead it’s much better to get mad about an old book. The Bible is pretty sexist if we’re being honest so maybe we should just burn all of the books.
If we were to burn all books we disagree with, we’d probably have to burn lots of books. But what would that be good for?
Just because you burn a book it doesn’t make disappear the ideas in that book. If you burn Harry Potter books you won’t make J.K. Rowling any poorer, probably the exact opposite, because you’d have to get the book first.
Yeah, the real reason is that the followers of these books want to push their beliefs onto others, turn them into laws, and ignoring them won’t make them go away. In every place where the followers of these books became the majority, the minorities are extremely repressed. The last time we were entirely ruled by those books, it was known as the Dark Ages, but there are several other countries currently living in their own Dark Ages because of the same desert trilogy. That book literally says its followers should kill me and others just because of the way they were born, so fuck it, it deserves no respect from anyone, it has nothing to do with race, it’s 100% religion.
The last time we were entirely ruled by those books, it was known as the Dark Ages
But that’s a Europe thing you know.
EDIT: actually western Europe.I thought that by always referring to books in the plural, calling it the desert trilogy, and mentioning the Dark Ages, it was obvious that I’m not singling out the burning of the Qur’an as good… in my country, it’s not Muslims who have infected politics and try to push religious law, but a sect of fundamentalist Christians… yet, the laws they want pale in comparison to sharia, so I feel sorry for countries with people on the streets calling for sharia.
only things that I know of “sharia” from Qur’an are:
- one hundred lashes for adultery,
- eighty lashes for accusing chaste women of adultery and failing to produce four witnesses,
- Qisas,
- cutting the hand of the thieves (when very specific conditions are met),
- total prohibition of interest in debt,
- hiraba
I wish you criticize them only if the laws of your country solved these problems efficiently (unless you don’t consider them problems),
And it is kinda strange that you’re hurt when you didn’t have contact with Islam?the laws they want pale in comparison to sharia,
Just not true.
Read Handmaid’s Tale. That’s what Christian nationalists want.
Christianity is just as bad as the rest. Stop carving out an exception.
The Qur’an literally teached to not take a life, “whoever takes a life—unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land—it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity.” (https://quran.com/al-maidah/32)
All verses about killing disbelievers are in the context of war, of the times when the early Muslims were under attack.
Also, traditionally people of other religions were living a good life under muslim rule, because unlike Christianity, Islam forbids forced conversions.
Yeah, yeah, all these books say do A and don’t do A and the hypocrite choose which he likes better to say which is right and who’s the true Scotsman… theoretical or historical contexts matters little on street-level reality. Meanwhile, I can safely say all the crap I want about Christianism and even wear anti-Christian symbols, however one must watch his back if he does the same with Islam.
So your point is that that people are uneducated and ignore context, and thus books are bad?
And concerning insulting Christians, go to Texas and pee on a cross, then we can talk. Of course you can safely do that where you are, probably because there are not a lot of Christians in your area, but the more of one population there are, the hight the chances that one of them is crazy.
Yeah, the thing you said about Christianity is not true at all in parts of the US.
This person doesn’t sound like they’re going to stab anybody. Exactly the opposite, in fact.
Oh no, this wasn’t meant towards the lovely person in the post. I got derailed.
I don’t fuck with the types “oh imma burn dis buk cuz it’s pissing off da muslimps”. But i really don’t think they should be stabbed to death for it.
If you burn a book because you think it will deeply offend others and then feel the need to post it on the internet for rage bait and then you get stabbed by a person you raged with your bait I’m not really going to feel bad.
If they burned a Quran at a protest for sharia law that’s a different story but they literally are just trying to get a reaction out of someone so if they manage to that’s on them
What’s amazing is that people have time to mind other people’s business.
Bigots are cringe
Religion is also cringe
Male supremacists are also cringe.
