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The funny thing about this that nobody here cared when Iran was bombing these places and treating Palestinians like human refuse for decades. Post 9/11 Americans literally think they own the Middle East and treat it like their playground and want it to bend to its will.
Fix your own dumpster fire Americans, i know it’s easier to just criticize other countries though.
Nobody is saying that the Iranian government isn’t evil. We’re saying the Israeli government is evil. Iran too, USA too Russia too, and I can go on for a bit but you get the picture.
Right right now, the Israeli government is committing genocide and if you have a problem with people calling this out then you can go fuck an umbrella. Kindly.
The evil genocidal empires like America don’t get to lead the pack against genocide and imperialism. They cheapen the cause . Fuck Americans
Division over strength amirite
The dividers and invader Americans don’t get to complain about division and invasions
Nobody is saying that the Iranian government isn’t evil.
nobody here is saying they are btw, its just glossed over and ignored and too many people here think Iran is in the right
Iran is in the right not to want to have a foreign airforce invade and bomb everything.
Especially after the West unilaterally broke the JCPOA and now is piling onto Iran with lies about a nuclear weapon being close, despite even the CIA denying that. We are roped into another Iraq style invasion, which btw. muredered about half a million to a million Iraqis.
Iran is in the right to oppose that shit and the US and Israel are in the wrong for doing that.
Doesnt mean Iran is “good”.
Honestly, the whole region would be within their right to leave the place a pile of ash.
iirc, they tried, and when the us intervened they put sanctions on the U.S. …yeah, the U.S. didn’t take economic sanctions for thier war crimes very well and uh, committed more war crimes.
Like my dad always said, there’s no war crime a few more war crimes cant fix.
You mean 1973? That was retaking territory they had lost in 1967. By 1973 Israel’s existence was a fait accompli and they really weren’t going anywhere. The war crimes bit is true, however, though it’s a small comfort that the Oil Crisis precipitated the economic crisis that got Reagan elected.
I think most of the world feels that way about the US at this moment.
Fair enough.
Who owns the US Congress?
I believe Russia and Israel are currently enjoying joint custody of the US, though Israel has the majority of custodial rights.
Russia during official events and gatherings, Israel the rest of the time.
Russia owns the majority through the MAGA/Evangelical wingnut lobby and ExxonMobil/BP/Shell in other cases. Israel covers all bases.
I S R A E L
Just discovered this (first link random):
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Terhan+clock+israel+wiki&t=fpas&ia=web
It’s hard to set points in this story but let’s try it.
Israel now is kinda theocratic state with a fascist in charge indeed, but Iran it’s no second to it. I hear many talking shit about Us imperialism, never heard a word about China, Russia or Iran’s one.
Iran is indeed a threat to Isreal (yeah, I know, those dictatorships like to flex bit they’re much worse than they depict). And its imperialism drove to 7/10.
Israel has in my opinion the right to face Iran, what’s mad is how they’re facing Hamas/Palestinians instead. But we said no? Bibi is fascist to the bones.
Still, Israel doesn’t want to destroy Iran and has never set a clock to Iran’s destruction.
Israel doesn’t want to destroy Iran
Tell that to all the Israeli politicians calling for Tehran to burn, and bibi saying that they’re trying to kill the Supreme leader.
Israel definitely wants to force some sort of regime change in Iran. Multiple Israeli politicians have posed with the pretender shah saying he’s coming back any day now, and they’ve tried to decapitate the top of the Islamic Republic multiple times hoping it will instigate some sort of revolution.
And that’s good for Iran.
Just cause Bibi’s Isreal is shit it doesn’t mean getting rid of Ayatollah is a good move. It’s good for Isreal, for Iran and everybody else except fucking Russia and those terrorists like Hamas or Hezbollah.
Not necessarily, depends on what replaces it. If it’s replaced by a functional secular democracy then yeah that would be better for Iran, but thats probably the least likely scenario. Most likely it will either be replaced by:
- A new dictatorship after a civil war, tons of Iranians die and not much improvement is made to the quality of life in the end. Maybe the new dictatorship is more secular but it could also get rid of some of the democratic elements in the current regime.
- Iran turns into a factionalized failed state like Libya or Syria, kept in a perpetual civil war by greater powers using it as a playground to test their newest military equipment.
2 is the scenario Israel wants, as whatever regime takes power will probably be anti-israel after this latest attack so itd be better for them if that regime doesnt have any power. Its also the most likely to happen if the ayatollah regime falls during this war as the mossad has shown they have a lot of capacity in iran to engineer this result. It’s also the worst scenario for the Iranian people.
Persia has been around for a minute or two, taking down this government doesn’t end Iran
Yeah, and jews have lived peacefully on Palestine for a while prior to zionism, the destruction of the Jewish state doesn’t mean an end to jews living in Palestine.
This is assuming that you think “destruction of israel” means destruction of the apartheid Israeli state, which is what I think they mean by it. Israel could also refer to all the jews in Palestine, in which case destruction would mean genocide, that is probably what most Israelis think they mean by it. Depends on how cynical / what side your on as to what you belive Israel refers to.
I think that those in the occupied territories are more likely to want the latter as they’ve had more antisemitism bread into them by both there culture and repeated bombings by Israel and violence from settlers, but still a majority would want the former. Iran is further from the destruction caused and is more likely to view Israel how the US views Iran, run by a bad regime that once it’s toppled will stop it’s aggressive ways.
To my knowledge, Iran and other middle east countries are part of the no nuclear NPT treaties with the US. The only one that isn’t a member of these treaties is Israel. There is no real proof, despite them trying to pull a W Bush ‘they have nukes’ lies-to-war propaganda, Iran has any nuclear weapons. Do you know who does? Israel.
And russia. They may have ‘mispaced’ a couple in exchange for some drones.
That’s probably cause of the link I just posted?
They say in every possible way the want to destroy Israel, would you believe them cause they are part of a program?
If they all just died there would be peace, duh /sarcasm/
Once Israel expanded into all these countries, there will be a whole bunch of new “threats” neighboring it.
The message of this post is spot on but im weirdly annoyed that the meme format has been used wrong lol.
I don’t have an answer to how to handle the region, it’s beyond me. The Israel state sucks ass and it’s committing genocide.
But the Iranian state are also extremist and I don’t doubt for a millisecond would do terrible things if it had the support Israel has.
What do you mean would? They already contribute massively to destabilising the region. They dont just attack isreal either.
And you don’t think it would be worse when an air force and nukes?
Its already maximally bad. Both sides have been doing everything in their power to destroy the other. From isreal it looked like they weren’t doing anything to Iran directly but we can see now they were setting up for this operation for the past 4 years at least. So yeah it can’t any worse unless isreal uses its nukes, Iran develops and uses a nuke or another major power joins the fray which are all very unlikely (us is already involved another major power would be russia, China, India, Pakistan)
I think this can lead to a good outcome. If Iran has a democratic election and elects a leader who isnt a religious extremist they can liberalise. If that happens isreal would also need to make massive concessions and chill the fuck out. The end needs to be a Palestinian state.
Last time Iran tried to become a liberal and democratic country the UK and US organized a coup to replace the government with a more dictatorial one, which is how they ended up like this. Is more violent foreign intervention the solution? We’re about to find out!
Looking at their track record there’s no reason to believe Isreal would give an occupied Iran any rights or do anything good for them. More likely it’s just more territory to be ethnically cleansed and repopulated after they’re done with Palestine.
two things can be bad at the same time
But certainly three things cannot be bad.
no, that’s heresy. four thing though, that can be bad
Conveniently you forgot to mention a short list of terrorist groups financed by Iran.
Here you go
- Hezbollah (Lebanon) – Iran’s most heavily backed proxy; receives funding, weapons, and training. Operates militarily and politically in Lebanon; hostile to Israel.
- Hamas (Gaza) – Though Sunni, Iran supports Hamas with weapons and funds due to shared anti-Israel stance.
- Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Gaza/West Bank) – More directly aligned with Iran than Hamas; receives significant Iranian support.
- Houthis (Ansar Allah, Yemen) – Iran supplies weapons, intelligence, and training to Houthis in their fight against the Saudi-led coalition.
- Kata’ib Hezbollah (Iraq) – Iraqi Shi’a militia backed by Iran; part of the Popular Mobilization Forces; responsible for attacks on U.S. personnel.
- Asa’ib Ahl al-Haq (Iraq) – Another Iran-backed Shi’a militia operating in Iraq; heavily involved in sectarian violence.
- Harakat al-Nujaba (Iraq/Syria) – Shi’a militia supported by IRGC; operates in Iraq and Syria.
- Fatemiyoun Division (Afghan Shi’a fighters) – Recruited and trained by Iran to fight in Syria.
- Zeynabiyoun Brigade (Pakistani Shi’a fighters) – Similar to Fatemiyoun; deployed in Syria under Iranian command.
Phoebe:
Who’s bombing Russia
Who’s bombing Russia
Who’s murdering Palestinians
Joey:
America
America
America
Russia
I wonder: would that region of the world have reached some sort of equilibrium if the rest of the world didn’t constantly fuck with them, or would it just be a different kind of shitshow?
Almost certainly the former. Same with Africa.
Almost all major conflicts and broken political situations can be traced back to colonialism and/or organized religion.
Almost all major conflicts and broken political situations can be traced back to colonialism and/or organized religion.
The world was a peaceful paradise before colonialism
Lol 😂
people who has nothing to say, and uses emojis like this one are the worst
Mmm - I think for a particular definition of equilibrium, yes. That definition might be pretty horrible though. And it’s a moot point either way.
As with other regions, the wars between neighbouring(ish) countries subside with cultural & economic development - if the countries (ever) get to that point (cross several big thresholds). And we don’t even have enough data to verify if this is even actually true.
But like Europe, constant warring for millennia up until 19th century, then sure, two really big wars, but you could already see how culture & economy of the masses shifted & favoured peace over war (“even with the stinking neighbours who we are racist towards”), it became harder to entice wars and/or to convince people we need a war with a neighbour.
I feel like this sort of rule of majority (in practice) & low scarcity is the natural equilibrium where huge efforts for maintaining peace aren’t required.
(Even both WW were because of this equilibrium shifted massively into huge inequalities.)African countries (so lower industrial development & big inequalities even on small scales bcs scarcity for basics, like food & life opportunities, exaggerates those) see constant proper wars (1 on 1 skirmishes between two countries or even regions), but since mass starvation became a thing of the past, so did the fighting become less intense.
(Africa is huge tho, generalisations like this aren’t representative of actual issues.)With that I think Middle East would definitely be a much more peaceful place without massive colonialist fuckery over the centuries, or at least without Russia & USA (which covers establishing Israel). Longer lasting stable culture & increasing trade dependency & prosperity + no foreigners financing radical terrorist groups (which comparatively quickly become the dominant power by sheer asset value), yes, I think it would be a much better place & wars a lot shorter.
Now, imagine that Middle East but if the world was already off of fossil fuels for the last century (so less inequality between countries).
Maybe a great (and accessible) active cultural hub between Europe & India?I feel like without oil the middle East would be like northern Africa. No real natural resources to kickstart an economy leading to seemingly perpetual poverty.
Northern African countries are among the most developed on the continent, what are you talking about?
Also Algeria had to fight a century and the last two decades of it in a genocidal war waged against it by the french colonial empire that did the same settler colonial shit Israel is doing now.
Africa already had significant ancient civilisations before, the last century or so (when even advanced countries finally mostly ditch what we would see as poverty, like England) it was perpetually fubared by European nations, like literal atrocities we still don’t talk about.
Also Africa is very rich in resources. After all, that’s why every advanced nation with two extra cents invaded & pillaged it.
The area has a deep and rich history, but also a violent one. Countless of peoples have been actually genocided (as in: nothing remains of them) there way before rest of the world had a civilization.
Why do you act like it was aliens coming from space? It was just humans doing what they’ve always done. Do you think they didnt know what war was? They had been warring for millennia with other people from Europe, Asia and Africa.
I wouldn’t think of it as somehow absolving people in the region from wanting to make this stuff happen, but without the resources and support from outside, they might be a bit more restrained by necessity/unable to inflict quite the scale of disasters.
Like how North Korea would have probably started some shit but they can’t because they don’t have anyone willing to boost their military capability to the requisite level. Meanwhile every player in the middle east has some bigger country happy to pump up their military resources while simultaneously tending to distance themselves from the result because a proxy war is safer than direct conflict.
That region had been considered a relatively quiet backwater mostly (not counting Egypt) under the control of the Ottoman Empire for centuries, until the Ottoman collapse during WWI allowed the British and French victors to slice the region up into new political entities that favored European interests - in particular, European oil interests. Absent oil, that region probably would have remained a relatively quiet backwater.
Everything improving for the better is part of that “equilibrium.” Peace and stability improves education which just makes everything better over time.
When Taliban first took over Afghanistan they had banned women from attending highschool. They later opened up “training courses” with same curricilum as highschools that women are allowed to attend.
Progress is slow, but the many economic sanctions placed on the country doesn’t help.
Overall situation is still extremely bad there but the reason Taliban got to run that country in the first place is two centuries of imperialism (The British) so more of it isn’t gonna help.
My eyes did a little dance as they purused those crispy edges.
America.
Hey, you can’t just rebrand literal propaganda as satire!
I mean, it is satiric & very funny, but it’s on the same level of fuckery as The Onion reporting regular news - unbelievable, sounding sarcastic, fucked up, & funny (until you realise it’s just true :D).
(This is a joke comment ofc, the standoffishness is faked for lame comedic purposes.)
I mean, Israel is just the USA’s preferred method of conducting proxy wars in the region… Not that the Zios aren’t also happy to massacre their neighbours, of course.
Ah yes, the people (Iran) doing this are TOTALLY NOT a threat to peace
At least in those cases the Iranian state didn’t use their military to conduct the acid attacks. The Iranian government paid reparations to the victims on behalf of the fact the perpetrators were not caught.
I am willing to risk suggesting the damage causes by Israeli bombings has outstripped the acid attacks already. They’re completely different orders of magnitude.
So when your neighbour hits his wife, you think it’s justified to just straight up murder them both?
People are doing this in other parts of the world too. Maybe we should consider everyone a threat to peace.
