• huf [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    how nice that an antisemite managed to take the focus off the actual topic, which is that israel must be dismantled

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        Judaism is zionism. It’s promised land to them in their book. Read. Judaism hates Christianity btw, thats why they killed Jesus.

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          Omg that’s it. That’s why predominantly Christian countries expelled and discriminated against them for their faith ever since. That’s the root cause.

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            Jewish people and Judaism are connected together. This religion is just for Jews, no other people can join their religion. And if you read their book you will see wild things, for example all people other than Jews are created just to serve Jews, they call non-jews “Goyim”. They think they own the right to enslave you because you are not Jewish. This is how their religion is. And what I’m trying to say is Israel is product of Judaism. Judaism = Zionism. You can’t be Jewish without supporting Judaism, you can’t be Zionist without supporting Judaism. It’s all connected. And I’m racist for saying this facts? I thought we dislike Israel and their crimes there…

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              You can’t be Jewish without supporting Judaism

              Wrong, it’s perfectly possible to be Jewish and have a different religion or be an atheist. Many such cases in fact

              you can’t be Zionist without supporting Judaism

              Doubly wrong. First because the majority of Zionists in the world are Christians, and second because it’s not apply backwards - you absolutely can be Jewish and not support Zionism. See Norm Finkelstein, Gabor Mate and his sons and the thousands of committed Jewish anti zionists around the world who are protesting this attractor

              Yes, you are a racist for spouting this dipshittery.

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                Wrong, it’s perfectly possible to be Jewish and have a different religion or be an atheist. Many such cases in fact

                Okay. So there are Jews from Europe, Jews from America, Jews from Russia, Jews from Middle east. What makes them “Jews”. It’s their religion. It’s the religion that connects them. If you are atheist Jew, than you are not Jewish or you are atheist just to trick people. Thats it.

                First because the majority of Zionists in the world are Christians

                No Christianity is TOTALLY against Judaism. If you are Christian and you have no problem with Judaism means you are brainwashed Christian that doesn’t know anything. The examples you gave there who are Jews and did anti-zionist protests doesn’t change anything compared to rest of Jews.

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                  Jewish is an Ethni-Religious term, if you are Jewish but don’t follow Judaism, you are still ethnically Jewish.

                  The majority of Evangelical Christians are Zionists. So if you can’t be a Christian and tied to Judaism, but many Christians support Zionism, this should signify to you that modern Zionism is not as closely tied to Judaism as you think. Don’t just stick your head in the sand, think about it.

                  Jews opposing Zionism proves that Judaism doesn’t equate to Zionism.

                  So simply, if Judaism ≠ Zionism (because many Jews disagree) and Zionism≠ Judaism (because many Christians are Zionist)

                  Then you should realize your whole anti-Semitic premise is wrong.

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              No, not all Jews are Zionists. And absolutely not all people of Jewish descent practise Judaism. Many of them are not even religious. Like… it’s embarrassing that I even have to explain that to you. Your interpretation of reality is just unhinged, borderline psychotic levels of stupidity. Like you’d have to be an absolutely pants shittingly stupid mongoloid of a person to truly have come to that conclusion from the information available to you in the world.

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                They might trick to you believe they are not religious meanwhile they are religious. They would to that if it serves purpose. Their religion allows that.

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                  You’re really fucking stupid. I really want you to know this and think about whether or not you, with your insanely low level of intelligence, should be giving other people advice on the way things in the world work the next time you think about doing so. Realize that the answer is “no, I shouldn’t” and then proceed to shut the fuck up next time.

                  I know you won’t, because you’re an idiot and following good advice probably isn’t within your capacity to do, but seriously mull on it man. Because not understanding that people of Jewish descent don’t all practice Judaism is like first grade level understanding how the world works, and you’re failing first grade right now.

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              There are more Christian Zionists in the west than there are Jews in Israel. (25Million Evangelicals just in America and the broad majority claim to support Zionism vs less than 8million Jews in Israel)

              Modern day Zionism is a settler colonial project. Israel is a product of settle colonialism.

              You aren’t spreading facts, you are repeating anti-Semitic, pro-zionist talking point.

              Falsely equating Zionism and Judaism as a form of justification for their occupation of “the Jewish homeland” is a big focus on Zionism.

              in reality modern day Zionism is propped up heavily by non-jewish support.

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    I’m not saying Jews shouldn’t exist, I’m saying a genocidal apartheid state should not exist. A state is an artificial construct of the human mind, held together by human actions. If the actions we are witnessing in Gaza are the product of the artificial construct of the Israeli state, then that artificial construct should be dismantled, and those actions should cease.

    I would say this about any other man-made construct that is doing the things Israel is doing. If some scientists built a robot that spends all day every day massacring children, then I would say the robot should be unmade. If you drew a Star of David on the robot’s head, it wouldn’t suddenly make me an evil antisemite to say that the child-murdering robot should be dismantled.

    Nazi Germany didn’t have some intrinsic right to exist, apartheid South Africa didn’t have some intrinsic right to exist. Israel is no different.

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    We need global media reform, period. No news agency, local or foreign should be laundering the actions of the Israeli state military by suggesting the outcomes are what Jewish people want, and that somehow monstrous campaigns of violence at a scale unjustifiable by any previous attack are self-defense. It’s a tremendous betrayal of humanity to obscure the truth so profoundly and ignore or hand-wave the intentional murder of hundreds of thousands of innocents. The IDF is not pretending it’s not committing genocide, they are fully-mask off and at the stage where they’ll claim that genocide is the only solution because they’re tired of looking for more humane ones. Yet the legacy media outlets all over the world refuse to simply show this slaughter for what it is.

    Antisemitism IS going to continue to rise, and it is directly resulting from the morally bankrupt massacre the IDF is engaging in. The state is actively manufacturing their own prosecution so they can weaponize stolen victimhood and take their ‘self-defense’ campaign beyond Gaza. It already observable in Lebanon and Syria. This is not controversial, it’s common knowledge, and STILL our most trusted media refuses to discuss the plain truth out of fear of retaliation, or to maintain some financial benefit. The American government is an accomplice here, and the rest of the world is currently tacitly approving because our voice has been paid for and silenced. In America especially, this is a BIPARTISAN failure to rise to the bare minimum requirement of human decency, and requires non-political solutions which may never come.

    No turn of face or correction will ever bring back the hundreds of thousands of innocents lost, and this will always be a stain and shame on us all collectively, but more specifically on those in power who turned a blind eye for ANY reason, be that fear or self-enrichment.