• Grizzlyboy@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    I’d love to see some reports of “gun toting Americans” blasting the shit out of ICE agents. The problem is ice agents and gun toting Americans are the same group.

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    2 months ago

    If the government comes for me, they’re bringing more people than I can shoot. The first answer to that, is to prevent that from happening through political action. The second is that you don’t respond to that with a gun.

    Everyone on Ruby ridge was armed, everyone in Waco was armed. They’re all dead for their troubles. A gun won’t fix that problem.

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      2 months ago

      If you are as good as dead either way, why do you think it’s better to go down without a fight?

      Being disarmed won’t save you, it just makes you an easier victim of the same forces.

    • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.ca
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      2 months ago

      It’s not about the reality of defending yourself from tyranny with homicide. It’s about the psychological comfort that the warped fantasy brings.

    • sentinel@lemmitor.com
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      2 months ago

      “Armed resistance never works” says the uneducated and ahistorical American with no understanding of the world outside the fascist empire they live in.

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        I didn’t say armed resistance doesn’t work. I said your gun isn’t going to work.

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          You need a gun to join an armed resistance, Einstein. Surrendering your guns prevents your ability from joining an organized resistance.

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            2 months ago

            Pretty sure I pull up with a semi full of fertilizer and I’d be their bestest friend.

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    He thinks he’s talking to conservatives, playing on their “thin blue line” sympathies. But like every other rank-and-file Democrat, he has failed to read the fucking room. The right-wing in America showed us on January 6th 2021 that their support of law enforcement is purely conditional, and will be revoked the minute they don’t get their way. And the Left? We always hated cops.

    His message reached zero people.

  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    If those soldiers and cops are there solely at the behest of s despot like the current one in office then they are expendable

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    2 months ago

    It also involves the fantasy that you and your freedom buddies will survive a serious encounter with US armed forces because you have camos and tactical boots.

  • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    2 months ago

    Their fantasy is specifically a David Koresh moment where the ATF and FBI come at them for fucking children.

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    Well, based on the average marksmanship displayed by most American shooters, those cops and soldiers can probably expect to go about their business with absolute safety.

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    If they are willing to defend facism and defend a dictator…then what’s the problem?

    At some point your “I’m just doing my job” becomes, “I support an American dictatorship.”. Do you not have morals? Your “job” has now become antithetical to the American Democratic Ethos - you are now a de facto traitor to your country. Last I checked, traitors are an enemy of the state.

    …so again, what’s the problem?

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      American Democratic Ethos

      Not sure which slaveholders or Manifest Destiny folks you’re putting on a pedestal, but even if—big if—America’s dead once had admirable and pro-humanity values, today’s terrified, uneducated, unhappy, unkind, impoverished shithole does not.

      Being an awful person appears to reflect perfectly these last generations of the American Empire.

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      then they came for the civilians. And I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a civilian.

      Yeah Thomas Mann’s poem is still relevant and more people need to read it and understand it.

      If you “only follow commands”, you are still implicated in every action. If you are a cop you are literally one of the checks in the system of checks and balances.