In this episode we are joined by , anarchist historian and author of Our Enemies in Blue: Police and Power in America, and Garrett, an anti-repression activist and anarchist legal worker who resisted repression as one of the RNC 8.  The conversation covers:  How models of policing protest have shifted over time  How they are shifting again today and why it matters How this can inform repression preparation and response Stay tuned after the interview for a poem by , a political prisoner from the George Floyd and Breonna Taylor Uprisings.  Cover Image by Mon M.  Intro & Outro Music: Tortuguita by Brass Tapestry (ft. Stay in touch! @outlawpod.bsky.social You can send Malik a letter at:  Malik Muhammad  Snake River Correctional Institution 777 Stanton Blvd Ontario, OR 97914-8335 **If you want to write Malik, please be intentional and honest about your capacity to stay in touch or if you're sending a one-off note.  Malik can also receive communications electronically, and prefers that method for consistent correspondence. You can find instructions for setting up electronic messages via the GettingOut website here: *Note that you must first send your email address to Malik in writing so that he can add you to his list of approved contacts. More of Malik's writings and updates at