Asian families: what do you mean “leave”?
Seriously, it’s not a bad thing to stay until you can afford to leave.
I’m in the party that thinks if you have a full-time job you should be able to afford a home
Both can be true, we can put pressure on all fronts
Also homes could be way cheaper if zoning were fixed, density were legalized, and property taxes were retooled into a land tax
I dunno about America, but Australia has the problems you listed, but we also have problems with tax incentives to investing in housing rather than investing elsewhere, which also helps push up property prices by increasing demand without affecting supply.
Maybe the kids also want their privacy? If you don’t own n old house with thick brick walls between the rooms, you are basically unable to casually have sex without all adjacent rooms hearing you.
Guess what else used to be normal in societies where large families lived in one building.
Sharing is caring.
Walking around your own house naked?
Love hotels?
Not the kind of sex I want to have ;)
Like living alone makes you magically attractive to others.
Hourly motel rooms?
This post has been brought to you by Motel 6.
And Japan’s love hotel industry.
So many reasons for parents to give a big push when the children are 18.
So many reasons children want to get out at 18.
Yeah, well, no harm in waiting a few years more
I’ve left my parents’ house at 17 and now when I look back I believe this was the best year in my whole life. Why wait?
Yeah, no psyop conspiracy needed.
Plus isn’t the normal first living experience after leaving home with a bunch of roommates? It’s not 1:1
Remember, just because someone posts something on the Internet with confidence, doesn’t mean they know what they’re talking about.
A lot of people really need to stop taking advice from Twitter/X, Facebook/Meta, Reddit/Lemmy, etc.
Spare me the predictable reply “but why should I listen to you” or any variation.
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I came back later when I realized family is important to me.
lol yes wanting freedom and to be away from your parents at 18. A psyop. Jesus Christ.
Most people in most of history don’t want that. Or at least not enough to make their life immeasurably worse.
I’m 42 and my parents recently moved in with me. Someone killed me.
I mean the real psyop is that they’ll deteriorate your parents mental fortitude and strip them of ability to actually foster good nature in you. Instead being sold off to the cheapest daycare so that they do it because if they divide you, you cannot form that close bond.
Why do people still think it isnt intentional, they dropped crack to experiment on black people and discovered that division was extremely profitable. Insight violence and you indebt people, create false expectations so that reality feels deceptively depressing rather than just reality. Sell them the right to feel good.
Pain means profit, to try and end it would mean the world would have to accept an order. Want and pain are one in the same. Want your own rather than wanting to overcome the muddied mess that has become, rather than unravel and detangle the horrid clump of things unsaid, actions undone and regret unending. Then again, every person loves to be in their own world, rather than share it. It’s why games, ai, and social media are so popular. You get to share the perfect details only on social media, the perfect picture. You get your perfect world with nothing but your will in virtual escapism. Ai lets you have a friend without being likeable or having to extend yourself beyond your comfort zone.
Just remember, family is those you can truly love unbridled. Get through the mess, and clean up together, thats the only way to know who will stand with you as the dust settles. Blood family is a born luxury, however it is not your only family.
Family structure is supposed to create a division of labor with age. By uniting needs you take cost effective measures to guarantee content survival. However, the young are illusioned by the concept of freedom, while bound by mortal servitude. Like a beast confused by a mirror.
Capitalism is the idea of individual gain, over communitarian gain. C’mon man every cult, church, and benefit society like the freemasons structures like this for a reason. Your commune is supposed to be a structure you can fall back and rely upon. Thats why tithing exists. It’s to tide you over until you are no longer in need, however you must adhere to social expectations and responsibilities as it is collaborative effort. (Sadly corrupted by capitalism most places)
Ape together strong.
Jesus that’s a lot of words. I stopped reading when you brought the crack epidemic into it.
Godspeed.
I stopped reading when they used “insight” instead of “incite”
Yeah, sorry I had to raise a kid by age 8, and another by age 12, then a third by 14. Dropped out of school and only in recent years got my GED.
Then again getting raped does change life.
I don’t know psyop, but a cultural norm to say “when your 18 you’re out”.
From the age of 12 on, not only did my parent say this habitually, they also stopped parenting completely.
It was a common theme of rejection in my house. I could have been the perfect kid, and tried, but I’d still here “you’re gone when your 18”. Never mind I didn’t even graduate Highschool until I had been 18 for a few months- it was habitual rejection all through my teens, and to me, sounded like, I’m done parenting you and I don’t want you in my life past the years the government madates I take care of you.
Shit hurts. My husband’s parents weren’t like that, some of my friends were, some of my friends weren’t. You can tell who’s doing better now, and it’s not the kids who were told they were out at 18.
If you don’t intend to help your young adult children through their early start, especially today when it’s so hard, don’t bother having children.
To add, I got kidnapped once by a mentally ill “friend” off their meds when I was 20 years old. At 6:00 in the morning I was able to make it to my mother’s door. When I knocked, she said I needed to deal with the consequences of my actions, And she didn’t want to deal with this. So I had to get back into this person’s car. My mother rejected me and my plea for help. I had just asked to stay at her house until the first bus ran to go home because I was in trouble. She said no and slammed the door in my face. I got back in the car, and a few hours later, I had no idea where we were. The man stopped stopping at stop signs because I kept trying to jump out. He locked me in the car. Eventually I was able to escape, and the police were called, and I couldn’t call my mother for help. I will never do that to my children. Her consequences for her actions now are 15 years now of no contact.
Would girls still want me if I said I lived with my parents as a 30 year old grown ass man that can’t afford his own place?
If they were of similar age and economic background, then yea it should not be a problem. And there are also plenty of people outside of that age range and background that would still want you. Thought probably not many who would if that was your opener.
Again, trying to uplift my fellow person, not sure how to say this without sounding like a sjw or something. But if you are 30, then “girls” needs to dropped. Women.
My bad. Point taken.
Change the story and say they live with you
I guess a part of the problem is the stigma:
People have been told that whoever still lives with their parents is a loser, and that’s the actual reason why it repells girls.
My son id 15 and ngl im excited for the day he moves out BUT only from a “kid launches” perspective.
If homie finds his legs and still lives at home until he finds a partner thats cool.
If he never finds his legs … fuck.
It’s a psy op perpetrated by kids by being awful.
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I wish this was our problem. Of course, there should be no shame in living with your parents. But it should be out of free will, and here in the Netherlands sadly that isn’t the case for many. Our housing market simply doesn’t offer affordable housing options. For many young people the only option is a rental apartment that will cost you so much, that if you can afford it at all, you can forget about ever saving any money. Which means that you’ll effectively be stuck in this situation forever. Which is an option to consider, but meanwhile those who can afford to buy a house, because of rich parents or whatnot, they have a far better deal, often even paying less on a monthly basis, while at the same time their house increases in value. It’s a major dividing factor in our society, separating the rich from the poor. Of course staying home is another realistic option to consider, and more and more people make this choice, but only for lack of a better option. The real tragedy is of course when staying at home is also not a realistic option. A fucked-up housing market makes the vulnerable all the more vulnerable.
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i love my family! the love however is at odds with knowing what its like to live in the same house as my family
YES thank you, finally somebody says it. I couldn’t muster the motivation to make this exact thought into a post yet even though the idea has been going through my head for a long time.
Of course, if every person uses their own house, you need lots of houses which “stimulates the economy”, i.e. it shifts wealth from the pockets of the workers into the pockets of the construction companies, up from where it goes partially to the owner’s pockets, partially to the wages. Yet with every iteration of the game the owners grab a bigger and bigger piece of the wealth, until it is all accumulated uphill. Consider:
It’s a bit thick on the wages and thin on shareholders but the concept is right
Conservative family values…
Unfortunately I can’t live with my parents. I probably won’t have kids, but if I do, I doubt they could afford to live anywhere else. Not unless I leave the US. It’s rough here.
Depends on your family.
