I’m just happy to be here
Can someone tell me why we are moving and why I should care?
I’m too busy spamming shitposts to pay much attention.
Mods are power tripping.
Members of the current community moved to [email protected]
Yeah one mod decided she was the vocie of the entire community and decided trolls were more important than real users.
Good thing this place was able to escape her clutches lol
This does not rule
Yikes
Hey so im just a lurker but im really worried about this move:
We all know Meta just allowed all sorts of vile anti lgbt posting on their platform so how do we know .world isn’t going that way?
You said you have a line to the top admin, is that Ruud who wants to federate with Threads, a Meta product that will allow transphobia against community members?
“Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative” - LW admins
Especially concerning since they are forcing communities to allow dissent, just like Meta, so TERFs can just roll up in this community and you have to allow them?
any and all terfs from threads or otherwise will be banned. if threads is added as a federated instance, we will simply add them to our list of probation instances in the rules alongside lemmygrad and hexbear. in addition, the way we run our community does not count as enforcing a narrative. because that rule does not apply to us, we do not have to deal with it.
please unlock [email protected]
i want to keep posting on the real lemmy 196. yall do your thing here if u like, but leave me out of that
Welp, they did it. Just not really sure what happens now. I should hope some new members who are a bit more in touch with the community get appointed to the team.
Ditto, I don’t support the move.
I want my trans-friendly community on my trans-friendly server, not .world
We’ll continue there without the current mod team.
.blahaj is a troll friendly community
Debatable. The dragonfucker story is very nuanced to me.
From my perspective, dragonfucker clearly came here to be a shit stir and cause chaos. However, it is important to still respect people’s requested gender pronouns. If you think someone’s gender pronouns request is too far-fetched, just don’t interact with / block that person.
I think banning this individual was the correct move, but misgendering anyone is not okay. Notice I’m avoiding pronouns altogether here to dodge the issue completely.
I’m not entirely up to date on what went down between the instance and the moderators of this community, but it’s clear communication broke down and this one person was able to create a chasm between the two.
What I do not like is the lack of communication on the moderators’ end, and it’s very clear that most 196 users do not agree with this move as it has not been properly explained, and moving to a large instance goes against the idea of decentralization.
Have you actually seen any of drag’s posts that people don’t like, or are you operating based on rumour?
Come on drag, you’re gonna pull a take like that and then wonder why you’re on their shit list? I know you’re off the wall, but come on dude.
Nazis deserve to be shot at.
Trans people shouldn’t commit suicide.
I’ve just read the other Post at blahaj.zone and now I want to give you (and your team) some encouragement!
Lots of People are upset but I’m not one of them. I like 196 for the Vibes and the memes not the Instance. Some People act like the Instance was THE THING why people subscribed. And (at least for me) it was not. It was literally the only Community (I’m aware of) I subscribed to on blahaj.zone.
And I also agree with you that some Moderation decisions were a bit… Questionable.
Keep up the good work and don’t let the other Folks drag you down, there is always grumbling when things change! 🌈
they were already a mod on lemmy.blahaj.zone
Did you tell them that??? Judging by the conversation we had, that fact appears to have come as somewhat of a surprise.
The plot thickens
There were so much aware they didn’t remember https://lemmy.world/comment/14557944
Lmao, afaik he was added later but it does look really weird lol
Wait y’all just appoint mods like that?
No, they were already part of the team on blahaj
Oof. If for nothing else, I can admire your honesty for this one comment alone 💀
Oh okay well then we go back to the “you and your team” praise looking weird when they’re uh, part of it lmao
That’s gold ha ha
apparently they were unaware that they’d been appointed, but I couldn’t pass up this opportunity.
I just hope I didn’t do a bad Job and discredited the other mods with my Replies .__.
I just kept writing from my own point of view :o
I hope not lol. Funny though I think the situation is, I did believe you when you said you didn’t know.
btw it looks like your (now disused?) feddit.de account is on the mod team in the LBZ comm. were you maybe a 196 mod in the past and kinda forgot about it when you switched accounts? idk
The whole Feddit.de instance died under some mysterious circumstances.
The owner of the Instance left for a Work trip to South east Asia and never came back. At least he never came back online. Then the instance started to have some technical trouble which we couldn’t fix without the owner. After continued degeneration we moved all communitys to feddit.org. I can’t even log into my feddit.de account anymore because it’s so broken.
Even the domain feddit.de is broken.
And since .world is not really popular over at blahaja.zone I felt like there would be some trouble if I tried to become Mod with my Main Account.
are you cis?
Seems like the mods are looking for any support they can find in this thread
thanks! I agree with a lot of what you said
I see you’re getting a lot of criticism so I felt the need to say I support the decision.
The idea behind Lemmy is that users can be a part of any instance they want and not be a part of any instance they don’t. The same communities can exist on multiple instances and users can subscribe to all of them, some of them, or none of them. Mods are users too so I see no shame in instance hopping. As a user of Lemmy.ca, literally nothing changes for me besides the words after the “@”
To emphasize how little things changed for me, I was actually already subscribed to this community before the announcement was made. I will continue to stay subscribed to the other community on lemmy.blahaj.zone as well. Nothing has changed for me and my subscribed feed.
If they dont want to be mods under a specific instance, thats fine. Whats not fine announcing the community will be archived and locked, move to (insert instance here) for this community going forward, with functionally zero warning or even a damned poll about it
You can create your own community on lemmy.blahaj.zone! There’s nothing preventing you from doing that. Lemmy is designed specifically for this scenario. If you do create one, I’d subscribe to it! It doesn’t matter to me where the content is coming from as long as it’s content I like. I’ll subscribe to a dozen versions of 196. Nothing changes for me.
You can create your own community on lemmy.blahaj.zone!
That’s seriously underestimating the time it takes to create a new community if the old community isn’t on board. [email protected] recently moved to [email protected] , but the mods made sure to ping everyone to inform them of the change.
Not allowing members to take over the former community seems power tripping.
Except the 196 community is being squatted on with a permanent redirect to here. I can respect not wanting to mod on a specific instance, but forcing everyone to move (over stepping down as mod and setting up shop somewhere else), especially out of the blue without consulting with the community, feels pretty shitty. The mods personally might not enjoy the instance’s moderation policy, but I think large parts of the community do! At least leave the space for the people who don’t want to migrate
Then they can literally make their own Community in minutes. This is the strength of the Fediverse!
Moss and the Mod-Team are the ones to call this shot and they did.
Creating a new community isn’t necessary. Admin could transfer control of the existing one to a new mod team if the current one can’t be arsed running it.
Since I just realised that I became a Mod here (when did this even happend? Is there no notification or something?)
I can ask. But it’s still their choice. Maybe they want to move as much members as possible, maybe they want to keep it as some sort of archive. Maybe this was part of the Deal with Ada? I don’t know. The only thing I can offer you is to ask. Would that be okay?
Yeah, I suspect you’re right and that the intent is to bring as much of the existing userbase across as possible, but it’d be nice to know what’s going on. It’s entirely possible they did reach out to people privately and nobody wanted to moderate 196@LBZ, but I doubt it.
Whatever the case may be, I would appreciate it if you could get an answer as to why that was the course of action chosen.
It’s their shot to call to move themselves. Telling everyone else to move feels shitty. I imagine a lot of people will prefer to stay on blahaj, so we’ll likely have to create a c/197 or something. It would’ve been so much easier to just hand over the reigns to someone else, put up a post with “hey, the core mod team is moving, you can find us over here”, and let community members decide which one, or both, communities they feel better about participating in. From the reactions on the blahaj post, not many community members agree with this move.
It is also their shot to move the Commnity.
If there are so many people angry about this, a new community will soon emerge. The only thing “lost” if people over at blahaj.zone create 197 would be the number of subscribers. And when so many people are so upset about the change, you could assume they would willingly flock to this new community. Like People did with [email protected] and [email protected].
But if this doesn’t happen, it would mean that people are not angry enough to make such a move or just don’t care enough about a change like that. For example, I don’t really care at all. I was already subscribed here and didn’t even notice anything at first. But if they had moved to lemmy.ml (for example), I would have cared enough not to follow and maybe even start my own 196.
You spot the difference between that comparison and the current case tho, right? Both Startrek communities are still unlocked and flourishing. By all means, make a new 196 on .world if you prefer it. But don’t lock the old one for people who can’t, or don’t want to, move. That’s just petty.
I don’t get why people are so angry. I was subscribed to 196 for the Vibes and The memes not because it is on a specific instance. .__.
A lot of people were happy with Blahaj being very protective of queer people.
If it was working well, why break it?
Blahaj is still there, though; it’s just the community that’s moving.
I only know what was written in the post—something about the “jurisdiction” of community mods/admins and instance admins and how hard to punish people.
Other than that? I don’t know either.
I will continue to stay subscribed to the other community on lemmy.blahaj.zone as well.
The place the mods said would be taking to “mod only” and thus effectively closed and useless for everyone?
Instance admins have total control over the communities on their instance. The admin can appoint themselves or anyone else as a moderator and unlock the community, so there’s a chance there will be more posts. If not, that’s fine too! I’m subscribed to a fair amount of communities that are no longer active. It doesn’t change anything as I scroll through my subscription feed!
Have you considered not trying to forcibly migrate a community from one instance to another (without community consensus), and instead building a community with its own merits?
People really don’t like it when a single mod decides to make decisions for the whole community without the support of the community.
That’s why i support taking 196 away from Ada’s control
Did Ada’s actions not have the support of the community or did they not have the support of the mod team? (different things)
Well considering she banned all dissenters it’s pretty hard to guage dissent.
If the initial rule change announcement is taken as a sample then more than half of those comments were removed, so based on that it doesn’t seem like Ada has the support of the real community, ahe just kicked out half the community.
All dissenters? Or do you just have a distorted view of things because you personally were banned?
If you expressed you did not agree with the decision your account was banned.
I, for one, welcome this move.
Was there any consultation with the community on this decision?
Why should there have been one?
Moss and the Modteam are the ones for whom instance swap changes the most, and as far as I know, they have been discussing this for a long time.
All “we” as users have to do is press the subscribe button.
“we” as users
They didn’t know they’re on the team at the time of comment
Nah they’re not new to the team
If you don’t ask the community first, then what you’re doing is not “moving the community”, it’s just abandoning the community and starting a new one
Both asked their communities before moving. As respect and politeness towards their members.
Hey don’t say everything was perfect the way it went down. A heads up would have been nice for sure! But moss and the modteam did not broke any rules (that I’m aware of) by doing it this way, neither on blahaj.zone nor an lemmy.world.
You can see this other example on [email protected]
Okay? Thank you for showing me.
But what are you trying to tell me with this? That other People do something diffrent than others?
[email protected] ended up reopening after it was arbitrary closed to promote another community, without prior consultation, creating dissatisfaction among the users similar to what we are seeing here.
Hopefully this is what will happen here too.
Okay? Thank you for this insight into Lemmy history.
If you look in the other thread you’ll see there’s a bunch of community members (myself included) concerned that this decision signals a decline in the standards to which it is moderated. The moderator team has given assurances that this won’t happen, but that raises the question of why this change is even necessary.
Additionally there’s the concern that this decision will further centralise control over lemmy in a small number of instances.
Then there’s the fact that 196 is kinda redundant on .world given that multiple shitposting comms already exist there.
Furthermore, instead of locking down the existing community when they moved over here, the mod team could have appointed new members who don’t have a problem with the manner in which the blahaj lemmy instance is moderated. There’s clearly users who want to stay there, and some who won’t move over here.
I belive that only a small percentile of people really care about this.
If enough people are so angry then they will make their own community over at blahaj.zone and proof me wrong but if not, then I guess there probably wasn’t enough demand.
Being able to just leave and set up and run a Community the way you like it is the backbone and the biggest strength of the Fediverse!
Then there’s the fact that 196 is kinda redundant on .world given that multiple shitposting comms already exist there.
The move to .world was not to cater to some demand, it was as far as I know, mostly because of disagreement with the instance Admin/ Owner.
I belive [sic] that only a small percentile of people really care about this.
Maybe you’re right about that. But given how badly the post and most of the mods’ comments are getting ratio’d in that thread, I’m inclined to disagree.
Could be!
The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. Maybe this 196 goes down and everyone moves to another. Maybe not. It’s always a question of, “Did it bother you enough to stop using it?” For me, the answer is “no.” Maybe for some, the answer is “yes.” I can’t tell.
If enough people are so angry then they will make their own community over at blahaj.zone and proof me wrong but if not, then I guess there probably wasn’t enough demand.
They already have their community, it’s [email protected]
This is part of the deal you make when joining a community with active mods, admins, and rules. Not everything is up for debate. I know firsthand that this can be quite frustrating sometimes, but we can’t act like everything else has always been subject to election up to this point. It simply was not.
And again:
Being able to just leave and set up and run a community the way you like it is the backbone and the biggest strength of the Fediverse!
Start a community and run it the way you like! Expand the Fediverse! Make a place truly your own! You can do that with an ease that was unheard of before. The only thing you can’t do is force people to act the way you want them to.
Start a community and run it the way you like! Expand the Fediverse! Make a place truly your own!
Perfect, and then the mods will lock it down and move to an instance I dislike.
There’s a reason [email protected] exists. One strength of the Fediverse is indeed that the community belong to the users.
You realize you would be the mod if you start a community, right?
Perfect, and then the mods will lock it down and move to an instance I dislike.
When you create a community, you are the mod of the community you created, and you can choose to move or stay. So I don’t know which mods you are talking about.
One strength of the Fediverse is indeed that the community belongs to the users.
Yes, by being able to leave and create your own community. You can even run your own instance, giving you total control over everything on it.
Nope
My first reaction was “ew” and after reading into the reasons I still don’t agree but I respect it. I’m a bit thrown off by there not having been any discussion of this before if it has been “ongoing for months”, though I’m mostly a lurker and maybe I have just missed it.
It honestly looks and feels so wrong but fuck it we ball I guess.
I didn’t hold a poll, because unlike other changes we’ve made to this community this does not affect our policy nor ethos. while the community is now being hosted on a different instance, we are running it exactly the same as we did on blahaj.zone.
hmmm
Why did you migrate?
I just happened to see this sub in local and joined. Glad to be here regardless!
Lemmy.world lmao
